By: dissent988
28/12/2006
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"9.30pm by which time everything good on TV is either half way through or finished "
Everything good? I must be missing something here.. |
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By: georgimw
28/12/2006
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megan_gummer
"I used to have dinner prepared for 6pm , now the kids are staying out later playing soccer at the park which means we eat later and I get to clean up later during the time I would have normally had my feet up"
Why don't you have dinner prepared at 6 now then, i thought you were the parent??? and why don't your children help you clean up? sorry i fail to see why you dislike it when it's not DLS fault but your own. |
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By: megan_gummer
28/12/2006
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The kids can no longer help me clean up because after they eat ...... it's shower and then bed !
No one wants to eat their evening middle during the middle of the day ...our body clocks are in sync for the evening meal when the sun has begun it's descent over the ocean ... |
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By: koosthuizen
28/12/2006
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| I think daylight saving is so pathetic, Western Australia has enough sunlight in Summer. If we do want it make it in Winter. I feel really sorry for people with children. Yesterday was 38 and it seemed like the sun was never going to go down. |
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By: mintie_boy
29/12/2006
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Most people don't like that the govt 'forced' DLS on to them. Maybe we should have a refrendum on everything the government wants to implement...hang on that defeats the prupose of electing a government. I wish they had a refrendum on the road traffics act...know there are some things in there that wouldn't get through. As you can see I don't think a refrendum is needed for this or for other legislation that tax payers money does not need to be wasted on for advertising and organising...rather spend that money on the environment, education or health.
Personally I like it, because I do get to go biking in the afternoon, spend time with my daughter, do gardening and the like. Oh yeah my daughter goes to bed when I put her to bed...do those other parents always struggle in summer with getting their kids to bed (summer has naturally a later sunset than winter...so you must hate summer altogether...maybe move around the world to have an endless winter so you can put your kids to bed at the same time).
Oh yeah people, DLS doesn't occur in winter...noticed a fair few people have thought this to be the case.
The milk trucks is the only reason I have heard against DLS that I actually find valid...and I am sure that it could be worked out quite easily. Most the other arguments have about as much merit as me saying that DSL gives us more sunlight in a day.
Oh yeah and people who talk about real time and DLS time, that is your problem. You need to not think of it in that sense, there is only one time...the time on your clock...you still go to work at 9 (or whatever) you still get home at 5 (or whatever), DLS doesn't change that...
So let's waste some tax payers money in 3 years and have a referendum...oh yeah and for all those that want proDLS people to drop it if the next referendum is a NO will you drop your cause to get rid of DLS if the vote is YES?? |
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By: peaceleo69
29/12/2006
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from most of the people I have talked to-the ones who usually get to sleep-in; till a leasurly time in the morning ;are the ones who are most in favour of DLS;as in comparison to others-the 9-5ers.
Many of these are in the kind of jobs ;that with the governments workplace laws-they should be able to negotiate with bosess, to work split shits-maybe they could start at 8 real time-if they want to be home earlier to be with children and do things like gardening.
Mind :as children usually dont have to be at school till about 9-maybe they could spend the extra hour before work with them.!
So many things are carried on instantly on computers these dasys-it seems ironic-we need to physically change hours of work, to cope with time shifts elsewhere.
How are people ;who have to conduct business with our Asian neighbours, now coping-I bet they just either start earlier -or conduct it on the internet.!!
They talk about the stock exchange-well; what was stopping them opening an hour earlier in summer ,to correspond with Eastern DST.
Surely all thier work is over the phone or net.
I bet they rock up each morning, to a pile of faxes and emails ,sent at nite from clients asking for trasnactions to be completed-people dont wait till they open shop at 9. I bet no one physically presents themselves today!!
There are many who have to start early-6 or 7 ;who look forward to getting up with a little light in the morning in summer-they are how consigned to perpetual darkness ,in the morning ,all year.
Then there's feeding of animals which has to be done in the cooler times" so with dalight saving-it is an hour later, at least-so the day becomes an extra hour longer for farmers and such ;as they still have to maintain daytime links with other services, that are now changed.
Now only get to watch ABC news-the others are on too early ,as still have to work then, as it cools down. |
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By: mintie_boy
29/12/2006
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peaceleo69 wrote : "Then there's feeding of animals which has to be done in the cooler times so with dalight saving-it is an hour later, at least-so the day becomes an extra hour longer for farmers and such ;as they still have to maintain daytime links with other services, that are now changed"
Similarly one could argue that farmers can wake up later because the animals will want to be fed an hour later in the morning.
peaceleo69 wrote: "There are many who have to start early-6 or 7 ;who look forward to getting up with a little light in the morning in summer-they are how consigned to perpetual darkness ,in the morning ,all year."
I was awake at 6am this morning and I didn't need to turn on any lights, why because the sun was up...perpetual darkness I think not. Similarly one could argue for those that start late in the morning and go to bed later in the night should not be consigned to perpetual darkness because they are not up early in the morning.
peaceleo69 wrote: "Mind as children usually dont have to be at school till about 9-maybe they could spend the extra hour before work with them!"
Well lets see my child still wakes up the same time, would still go to school at the same time (if it wasn't for school holidays in summer and if she was old enough for school)...so how can I spend more time with my child if there are still the same amount of hours to spend with them in morning?? You may say I have the same amount of hours in the evening...but not the same amount of sunlight hours to take her down to a park, or play outside with her. |
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By: brenda271273
29/12/2006
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| no its all bull , i lived in nsw all my life until a year ago and it was good to get away from daylight saving i hate it all ways have and all ways will ,my kids stay up to late as its not dark for there bed time now ,there is no more time you only need to start work and finnish work early i think any way . |
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By: peaceleo69
30/12/2006
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Mintie-farmers usually get up earlier to feed animals in summer; as it gets hotter earlier in the day in summer, anyway but then have to feed them later by the clock in the afternoon, with DST as it is too hot to do it at what would be the 'usual'time.-so where one would normally feed at 5 on a hot afternoon-now its 6 oclock.
Similarly dairy farmers-now have to schedule thier milking to coincide with milk runs altered to DST to coincide with factory times and suffer the heat in the afternoon.
As to the darkness-my daughter got up at 5-00 to start work at 6 -to serve the early starters this morning-was still dark-same as winter.But she now has to go to bed while its still light by the clock and hotter-without AC and louder-with children on holidays making a lot of noise-so she can be up at 5-00.
As it gets lighter earlier-there is nothing to stop the 9-5ers from playing with their children for an hour earlier in the morning-put them to bed an hour earlier at nite so they wake an hour earlier-why expect to put others out.
Most 9-5ers also only work 5 days a week-so they have weeekends free for thier children.
Seems real odd-with a continent the size we have-comparing time zones from Greenich mean time around the world-like the number across the US-that on the east coast;usually we are 2 hrs different -now its 3 but we are only 1 hour different from QLD which sits on the same longitude as other ES states-how do they manage that??
Still: nothing to stop business, that feel they have a problem trading with the ES or people who want to start work earlier;negotiating with thier boss to do so and allow others to start at a normal time.
Why disrupt everyones lives for the few who want it changed.
Most business do thier contacting on-line these days anyway-so it would seem simple and a better scheme ,to have employees; in jobs that need that extra hour contact-have certain employees filling these gaps-rather than force everyone to change thier schedule. |
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By: shanegsk
4/01/2007
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Daylight saving good for the farmers and some do not like it.
me after a hard weeks work straite to the water hole for a beer, and can still see my way home. yeah not bad at all. |
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By: mintie_boy
4/01/2007
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peaceleo69 wrote : "Why disrupt everyones lives for the few who want it changed."
Well considering that daylight savings was defeated in 1992 (15 years ago)by a margin of just 3.14 per cent, the closest result to date (out of the three referendums) - the other two margins were 3.66% and 4.35% in 1975 and 1984 respectively (oh yeah before these two referendums it was trialed too). I would say that a 'few' do not want the change, but almost half the people of WA did in 1992. So 15 years later perhaps now 51% of people want it and 49% don't, but that would still mean it is introduced...maybe after that those for it could say a 'few' who didn't want it.
"The survey with the general community also revealed that most Western Australians would welcome the move with two thirds (66%) of those surveyed in favour of the change. The majority of those surveyed (52%) strongly supported the move compared to just 27% who were opposed." - http://www.charteredaccountants.com.au/A117575979 - couldn't find the source of the survey online though.
"We took a random sample of 75 fair-goers, and found the 71% want daylight saving and 29% do not." - http://wa.democrats.org.au/html/modules.php?op=mod load&name=News&file=article&sid=102&mode=thread&or der=0&thold=0 - not the most reliable survey, but just another example I found on the net.
"While adequate sleep is important year-round, the return to Daylight Saving Time is a perfect opportunity to evaluate your sleep behavior and how it may be affecting you during your waking hours" - National Sleep Foundation of USA (the experts are not even against it) http://sleepfoundation.org/press/index.php?secid=& id=116 |
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By: jaykaye_09
15/01/2007
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Sorry to bring this up again,
I was in Northbridge today (after the Perth Glory game), and it was packed. Now, I have been to Northbridge during the summer and closer to that time (technically earlier), but with daylight savings - it seemed many more were out dining on the path. It was great to see :) |
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By: paulfaycd
26/01/2007
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here are a few statistics from this site about dls,
there are 91 people had their say on here.
31 said they want dls
46 said they dont want dls
14 were undecided or were not talking about dls
so it seem that most people still dont want dls.
i am from qld and i dont want dls here either, but am interested in reading peoples ideas.
it seem the only reason for dls is for more leisure times and the reasons against are because it is disruptive to peoples lives.so so why have something that is disruptive just to give SOME people more time for leisure.
the way it was done in wa smacks of communisum.
and my vote was not one of the ones counted in the 91
and all the talk about the refurendum being 10 years old , what about all the refurendums that were held in the past 200 years, we better get them all out and revote,
and if the vote was yes then would we get another vote in 10 years to check if the people have changed their minds.
sounds fair to me |
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By: jaykaye_09
26/01/2007
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| Right, because the Yahoo7 msg boards have always been an accurate reflection of the majority ideals........ |
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By: ausgal951753
26/01/2007
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In WA I have asked around my friends and work mates who make a good cross section of the population. approx. 85% like DLS and will vote for it.
WA is much more democratic than queensland as we have got a fair trial followed by a referendum something you banana benders have been denied. |
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By: andonamouse
26/01/2007
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| The biggest problem with it is, It is a city thing. in the country on stations it is a sun comes up and sun goes down thing, who cares about time and for those that work in country towns it just means that you dont have that period of light before work starts to go for a walk or swim before it gets hot and you go home an hour earlier, turn on air con an hour earlier and make your power bill allready high higher. Geez ta thanks ...lol |
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By: andonamouse
26/01/2007
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| LOL. My wife just pointed out to me the fact that the only people who have made a mass profit out of this is western power...A million people now get home in perth an hour earlier and turn on the air cons. Glad some one got some good out of it. |
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By: ausgal951753
26/01/2007
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| Daylight saving is here to stay get used to it. |
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By: jaykaye_09
26/01/2007
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'A million people now get home in perth an hour earlier and turn on the air cons. Glad some one got some good out of it.'
-andonamouse
Yes, but doesn't that mean these people won't be using their lights as much (given they don't wake at 5am)??? |
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By: andonamouse
26/01/2007
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| Some how think it takes a tad more power to run the aircon. |
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By: jaykaye_09
26/01/2007
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| Perhaps, by the same logic though - Street lights, those at restaurants etc. My point, electricity usage as a negative for dls is a stupid one - not talking about you (or your wife :)) personally, as you didn't seem overtly serious about it - but just speaking in general. |
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By: andonamouse
26/01/2007
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| Ausgal is not a problem ....It may or it may not be here to stay. who really cares is only a debate and I am one of those that run on the sun, plus we generate our own power so has no effect on me. And up till now no one has been able to change the earths rotation around the sun, Thank god. |
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By: andonamouse
26/01/2007
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| Is only a waffle about dls jay ....not a serious thing in any time or place |
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By: jaykaye_09
26/01/2007
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| Hehe, I gathered...and trust me I certaintly wasn't attacking the point of view of your wife...ummm.... |
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By: andonamouse
26/01/2007
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| lol nor do I |
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