By: garyf64au
22/11/2006
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| lol mackiwi .. u think cows just come into milk by themselves... NO.. they have to be milked by a certain time each day to meet the milk pickups which is driven by business so it doesnt matter whether it is light dark or otherwise and yes heat does affect the quantity of milk that is produced by the cow. |
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By: k_horth
22/11/2006
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mackkiwi wrote:
"If you don't like the weather here move somewhere else!! "
I was born and raised here this is my home, why don't you move some where else that already has DLS, then we will all be happy. |
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By: kingerikcantona
22/11/2006
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mackkiwi - I think you trying to say everyone under 30 wants DLS is utter bull! I am under 30 and a large portion of my friends are and they do no want DLS. I ain't going to generalise and say that everyone that wants DLS are dole bludgers and go to the beach all day and surf because a few of my mates who do not work who want DLS so they can go surfing in the morning (they could have always got up earlier - but that would require common sense)
the problem with DLS is it ain't going to get people away from all the things that were popular over the last "20 years" that have made people lazy and not get off their backsides and organise themselves better. instead people get home from work at 5pm and sit down and watch tv, DLS ain't going to do anything about that! |
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By: christineatlifeworks
22/11/2006
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To those people who are jumping around with delight at having daylight saving, you are jumping on the grave of democracy and actually telling other people that you couldn't care less for their legal rights.
I don't think anyone would argue against the fact that the majority of West Australians don't want daylight saving. The argument that those of us who are against it are imbeciles who haven't experienced the "benefits" are erroneous. What has happened is that a noisy minority, in hand with the media and State Government, have blatantly subverted the wishes of the people and utterly destroyed the democratic process. We shouldn't even be having this debate - we have blatant corruption and incompetence running *** pant in government, a sick health system, children being abused and killed under the care of the DCD, thugs out of control in the city and suburbs, new young homeowners being slugged with outrageous stamp duty, and an education system that is so unaccountable that universities are looking at other ways to assess undergraduate applicants.
This is one West Australian who ab *** ely will not be co-operating with daylight saving and ab *** ely will be voting out the imcumbent "government" at the earliest possible opportunity. How these people can even show their faces in public is beyond me. |
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By: ausgal951753
22/11/2006
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By: ausgal951753
22/11/2006
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christineeats - you are sooooo wrong babe, most people are looking forward to daylight saving,
even 12 years ago last century nearly 50% (49%) voted for Daylight saving. It appears now that with the number of migrants into WA from the eastern states and overseas this number has swelled way past the 50% mark and with the benefit of a trial and another 3 years of new arrivals and new voters it will be a 60 - 40 win for Daylight saving.
So you had better get used to it, cos its here to stay. |
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By: numbat_zone
22/11/2006
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| I don't know WHY all those people who LOVE getting up early and prancing around golf courses, beaches and parks in the heat don't just make arrangements with their bosses to do it in their own time. Why do the rest of us have to do it as well ? I HATE getting up early and I HATE the heat. And anything over 25 deg C is Heat in my book. So I'm going to get to work at 9am instead of 8am, and I'm going to go home at 7pm instead of 6pm, and I'm going to do exactly what I do every summer - go home, put on the air conditioning and go to bed when I feel tired. At the moment that is about 1am, so I expect it will be ... like 2am ?, but hey, it won't matter because I'll be starting work a whole hour later than normal! Whoopee. |
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By: mackkiwi
22/11/2006
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I think you will find that the most of the people who are under 30 would not have had the choice at the last referendum, but certainly those that have had the chance to travel and live in areas or countries with DLS, not just those under thirty mind you, would like the chance to vote on this. And with a 3 year trail this allows everyone to make an informed choice. With the growth of the state and the injection of people from over countries and states the odds are most likely in favor of DLS permanently.
Currently I get home on a week night between 5:30 and 6 depending on traffic. Now I pity those that have to travel further or get stuck in the traffic on the freeways, but it doesn’t leave a lot of time in the evening to do much out doors.
I occasionally attempt to tend the small patch of garden I have, have you ever tried gardening after dark?!? Another hour will certainly help here.
Also it will be great for sports clubs, as more people will have the opportunity partake.
garyf64au: I guess it depends on weather your cows have developed a routine that they come in at a particular time or not, I know most the cows on the dairy farms I worked on most of the cows found their own way in, sometimes there were a few strays that you had to round up, but in terms of the milking, most places I know of have refrigerated vats for the milk, so I would think that the milk will be fine.
I would suspect that a company that collects that milk would not have too many issues with a slight change to their schedule for the DLS period over summer. After all, the farmer generally works to the seasons and the sun not the clock.
How do you think the Dairy industry in New Zealand, one of the biggest export earners for the country manages? Agreed, heat is less of an issue in most parts, but pick times still need to be considered. |
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By: ssvagel
23/11/2006
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| You have daylight saving in places where it gets dark early. WA has too much sunshine. The sun sets after 7:00pm You can't send kids to bed when its hot and bright. After all Perth is perpetually 20 minutes ahead even without daylight saving. |
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23/11/2006
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By: mackkiwi
23/11/2006
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So you've just figured out I'm not originally from here.
And what about the all the other people that have been arriving from the eastern states, the UK, Europe, Africa. What would happen if they all left? The economy here would suddenly crash! Just because they come here to work & invest with new ideas that are different from your own, does that give you the right to tell to get lost? To not consider their ideas.
I’m sure if you check your own background, you’ll find you not from here either!
You are not getting more sunshine in the day with DLS, you just get to make the most of it.
It’s hot at night here often enough & late enough that it won’t make any difference to any trouble that you have with kids going to bed. Get them running around outside, some healthy exercise will help, and they will still sleep. |
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By: wildcat9973
23/11/2006
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| So are you saying I'm not from here originally hey, you know aboriginal's can own computer's to, I'm a Yatjmi & not a lazy one either.I work hard because I hate the stigma that most non indigenous Australian's portray us. I detest those indigenous that don't help themselves to get ahead in life & blame everyone else for there problem's. I won't use the word racist because that word is used to much & most of our people continue to think where still victim's. Personally I find it a lack of understanding on your behalve.I believe everyone has a place on this planet KIWI so don't judge all book's by there cover. |
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By: mackkiwi
23/11/2006
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Apologies wildcat9973, but there was very nothing in your comments or profile to indicate that you were from the indigenous ranks of the state.
You will be well aware that sometimes there are people around who are not willing to consider the ideas of others. And from what I have notice from a number of the comments on this thread, many having been judging the DLS issue without knowing how it works.
So my point is that this trail will give everyone opportunity to experience DLS, and to judge idea on the experience, not of the hearsay and rumors that seem to afflict so many. |
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By: kingerikcantona
23/11/2006
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| yeah because the rest of us can not read and make judgements for ourselves! so to enlighten us it has to be pushed onto us, hoping that we will be unable to vote properly in 3 years time :) |
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By: taking_the_piss182
24/11/2006
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"You have daylight saving in places where it gets dark early. WA has too much sunshine. The sun sets after 7:00pm You can't send kids to bed when its hot and bright. After all Perth is perpetually 20 minutes ahead even without daylight saving."
why does melbourne, hobart, canberra, adelaide and sydney have it then? why does northern europe and and places like canada and alaska have it as well. without daylight saving some of these places would have sunsets at around 9-10pm anyway. and more importantly if daylight saving is for places with early sunsets why doesnt brisbane have it then? it has the earliest sunset of any capital city in this country. and the further north you go the earlier it gets.
also most of the cities i mentioned above actually have more 'built in' daylight saving than perth. dont forget perth is on the very west of the state. towns like esperance and eucla right next to the border have sunrises just after 4am in summer. |
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By: ausgal951753
24/11/2006
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Well said piss, The darksiders against DLS have never been able to come up with a logical argument, except they dont want change.
I cannot see why they want it light at 4.30am and dark at 7.00pm.
So many excuses each shot down with commonsense. They say things like "cannot get the children to bed" bull.
As one lady pointed out her young children wake up at 4.30am because it is bright and sunny. She does not want to get up at 4.30am but wants to watch her children playing happily and healthly at 8.00 pm in the light.
I always assumed that the Darksiders do not like or want their childred around. |
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By: brandonzubek
26/11/2006
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| Hmmm...so annoyed by Daylight Saving that I created a lobby group: see here: pastlobbygroup.wetpaint.c om |
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By: julesgr7351
27/11/2006
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I just can't believe the twaddle spoken about daylight saving and the hic mentality of those West Australians opposed to it.
Daylight saving will go a long way to drag WA kicking and screaming into the 21st century. I just can't believe the unfettered conservatism in this state. Try something new for God's sake, embrace some change and blossom instead of being a load of stick in the mud fuddy duddies. |
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By: ausgal951753
27/11/2006
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Amen to that, My sentiments exactly jules
Go Perth |
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By: julesgr7351
28/11/2006
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| Thanks Ausgal, at least there are two of us in favour. |
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By: ausgal951753
28/11/2006
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julesgr - think more than 2 of us.
It appears that the majority want DLS but it is just over 50%. The last referendum was 12 years ago and I think it was 49%.
But with the influx of newcomers and the new voters over 18 since then and along with a decent trial this time 3 years instead of just 5 month the last time. There is almost a certainty that the majority will favour keeping DLS.
The only thing we will have to watch out for is the Darksiders in 2009. They will come out of the woodwork again with all their looney reasons, too much light, cows not milking, curtins fading, blah blah blah.
I am not a gambler but reckon I would put $100.00 on that we have DLS to stay. |
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By: georgimw
29/11/2006
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i think this thread should be locked (not deleted) for the next 3 years then before it's time to vote we can all whinge and whine etc or read what we wroe and go 'hahaha' i can't believe i said that i was so wrong :O) because it's done now and it's here for 3 years.
*insert little happy dance here*
make the most of it, keep an open mind, you never know what might happen :O) Have fun! |
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By: sashs.geo
1/12/2006
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for those of you worried about getting your kids to bed - here in the UK in summer it's light at 4.00 am and stays light until after 10.00 pm. The kids go to bed just fine.
I know this is none of my business as it doesn't affect me but I don't understand the fuss? It's not as if it's going to be light until midnight. |
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By: maggie10342003
1/12/2006
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Has everyone forgotten the dangers of too much time in the sun... skin cancer. Why would more time out in the sun at the end of a very hot day be a good thing. Doesn't anyone socialise/spend time with family in the best time of the day after sunset anymore? Or is that no allowed!
What about the Fremantle Doctor (welcome cooling westerly wind) that comes in if we are very lucky during the afternoon to cool us down a little until that hot sun finally sets and we get some relief. This relief will be an hour later arriving with Day Light Saving. (There is no argument you can make for that one!)
I came from UK to Perth in 1969. The climate during summer in UK is more like a lot of south eastern States there is no comparison.
Unless you were made to trial DLS for one year, like we were some years ago, you have no idea what you are asking for. No one wants to eat until later and it's too hot to cook. Not everyone has Aircon. Mothers working full time come home an hour earlier in a hot car then have to wait to prepare the meal for the family. By the time they want to eat and she has finally cleaned up after the meal it is nearly bedtime. She has just lost an hour of relaxation at the end of her true work/home working day. Businesses who have head offices and factories in the East have handled not having DLS for years and learned to live with it successfully. With modern technology these days it is much easier anyway.
OK you have got DLS, now go play in the sun and get skin cancer and forget about the cooling afternoon sea breeze which will be an hour late. See after three years just how many people are enjoying DLS. I can tell you now WA people are not stupid and the referendum will once again be a resounding NO MORE!!! That's supposing the State Govt doesn't pull the plug on a any referendum by then. They never asked us if we wanted to trial it again.. so why would they want to know what we think ever again! I rest my case! |
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By: georgimw
1/12/2006
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| This has all been said before, we get it there are negatives but for some there are positives, and a lot of them are personal reasons anyway... eg You complain about not getting the 'fremantle doc' but How am i going to get the 'fremantle doctor' when i am in the north??? You may have a valid point but there are many of valid points, for and against. And as for skin cancer and hots cars, cars are always hot in summer even first thing in the morning, and people are gonna get skin cancer one way or another its a choice some people make to be non-sun-safe. There is going to be the same amount of sunlight, so explain to me how more people are going to get skin cancer, also maybe some research to back it up??? Never ass-u-me. Everyone makes lifestyle choices, you personally don't want to get skin cancer so stay inside from 7.30pm which is when it gets dark pre DLS and you won't get skin cancer right?? Honestly. |
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