By: king_bast
5/11/2009
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Veteran Coffin Cheaters bikie Eddy Withnell will fight a five-year ban stopping him entering or working in nightclubs and licensed restaurants.
The Liquor Commission relied on secret police evidence to decide it was in the public interest to ban Mr Withnell from licensed premises including pubs with extended trading hours permits, clubs, licensed restaurants and some venues with special facilities licenses.
Police had wanted him barred from all WA licensed premises but the Liquor Commission stopped short of that, allowing him to drink at pubs without extended trading hours' permits and enter bottleshops.
The prohibition order will effectively ban him from Northbridge venues, with most pubs having extended trading hours' permits or special facilities licences. He will also be banned from going to the football or the races.
Mr Withnell was not informed directly of the ban. _The West Australian _ broke the news to him yesterday after the decision was posted on the Liquor Commission's website.
He said yesterday he was surprised by the decision and would talk to his lawyer about fighting it. He has previously said the ban would affect his livelihood supplying and supervising strippers at the James Street club The Voodoo Lounge.
Mr Withnell said a Bill of Rights was needed to protect people from "abuse of power by unjust laws and immoral politicians".
"If a man on the streets of Northbridge punched someone, killed him and stole his alcohol, he would be sentenced to three years jail, serve 18 months and be free to enter every bar and club in this city," he said.
"But because I am guilty of nothing, because I have been charged with nothing and I have not even been accused of anything, I am to be banned for life from all licensed premises."
The 56-year-old said at his age, a five-year ban was an exile for life.
Police Commissioner Karl O'Callaghan applauded the ban,saying the laws would clean up the industry.
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By: king_bast
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This morning Premier Colin Barnett said he welcomed the Liquor Commissionâs decision.
Asked on ABC radio today if he had any sympathy for Mr Withnell, Mr Barnettâs answer was a straightforward âNoâ. âHe has colourful, chequered history ⦠he has been banned for five years, it is a good result,â Mr Barnett said.
http://au.news.yahoo.com/thewest/a/-/wa/6423554/ni ghtclub-ban-like-a-life-sentence-withnell/
Seem a bit fascist to anyone else?
he probably is a scumbag, but then, so is everyone in the entertainment business. So what si to be gained from barring him from having a LAWFUL profession? Seems to me it's taking away his options, forcing him to survive by other means, maybe driving him to crime.
Disturbing that as he says "I am guilty of nothing, because I have been charged with nothing and I have not even been accused of anything, I am to be banned for life from all licensed premises"
So who will be next to have their freedom curtailed without charge?
Ahhh WA...the police state. |
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By: danniikal
5/11/2009
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"If a man on the streets of Northbridge punched someone, killed him and stole his alcohol, he would be sentenced to three years jail, serve 18 months and be free to enter every bar and club in this city," he said.
I totally agree with this statement!! It is a load of shyte that these young boys can go out and get drunk, take someones life and still be able to walk around free to do whatever he likes with just a slap on the wrist.
No wonder society is the way it is now, those that do have allegations against them and have done wrong are free to pursue their dreams while one man who has connections to a motorcycle gang can be banned without having any allegations or convictions in regards to his drinking
But yeah you're right commissioner O'Callaghan this will fix all the problems that we have with all the underage drinkers and brawlers and shit stirrers this ban is really going to make a difference..... yeah right!!!!! *can anyone detect the sarcasim intended here? |
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By: king_bast
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| Might I add, I worked as security in one of this mans clubs, and it was almost trouble free. Noone wanted to act up, as they knew who owned the joint. |
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By: danniikal
5/11/2009
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| really wish that the governement would stop trying to scare the shyte out of people with their anti bikie laws, i mean 97% of them are really nice and like to remain under the radar it's the young up and comers that feel they need to prove a point or show off because they are part of these clubs that cause the problems. my family has been involved with bikies for many years (not members just friends) and every single one that i know has a heart of gold and the only time they need to show up is when someone is doing the wrong thing and by rights is punished for it as they should be. |
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By: unclefatso01
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Dannii there are two types of Motorbike groups. Bikies - regarded as outlaw gangs and Bikers who love riding and form clubs. Bikers are generally fine, bikies can be a bit sus but that said they've certainly cleaned up a few pubs down in Kwinana and Rocko.
Eddie was the principal organiser of the Bindoon weekends and I fail to see why he is regarded as a menace. If he can be banned then surely they can ban Kizon state wide too!!!
As for the police trying to stop bikie gang warfare I'd book Subi oval for a weekend and invite them all there. Take their weapons at the gate them lock em in and tell em to have at it. The dead will be carted off to the tip and the injured ignored. |
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By: thepinkparsnip
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| Well I suppose it does give the W.A cops something to do other that hide beind trees with the speedink camera's. |
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By: danniikal
6/11/2009
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| I know there are two types of classes when it comes to bikies. To be honest i would prefer to have any other bikie gang here in WA other than the finks, this gang is known for nothing more tahn being trouble makers and causing fights and the such. In alice springs they forced there way into there and to be honest the place sucks now and has so many more pproblems than ever before.... |
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By: king_bast
6/11/2009
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In conjunction with the other new law....WA is fast slipping towards fascism.
WA Premier Colin Barnett claims new laws giving police greater powers to search people will help combat the increase in crime and anti-social behaviour in Perth.
The new legislation, set to be introduced into State Parliament in coming weeks, means police can now stop and search people and vehicles in designated areas without having to prove reasonable suspicion that a crime has taken place.
"The new laws would give police greater powers to stop and search people in particular areas where crime and anti-social behaviour is turning that area into a no-go zone for ordinary law abiding people," Mr Barnett told Radio 6PR.
"We will target known problem areas such as Northbridge after midnight, so families going out for a meal in Northbridge will not be a focus for the police.
"The people we are targeting are those who are carrying weapons or drugs and intending to create trouble and going to places like Northbridge and Scarborough or Mullalloo beaches where there have been problems in the past.
"This is an important part of a more comprehensive strategy that will be announced soon to make entertainment areas more attractive.
"It will be an effective tool for police in their fight against violence and drugs in our community, the effects of which are widespread."
Mr Barnett said the new laws would protect the general public from danger, and would also offer increased protection to police, ambulance officers, doctors and nurses treating victims of drugs and fights on the streets.
"There will be cries of infringement of civil liberties but we make no apologies if we give law-abiding people, families and young women the freedom to go to places without fear for their safety," he said.
Mr Barnett told the 6PR Morning Program he did not think the new laws were "draconian" and said they would only apply to certain times on specific days in designated areas.
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He said people going into such areas at particular times will know they could be searched, however the searches would not be intrusive and would adhere to search protocols set down by the Police Commissioner.
Weapons - including knives, knuckle dusters and steel bars - were the biggest concern for the Government but the new laws will also help catch people moving into designated areas to sell drugs.
Under the current law, police can only stop and search a person if they reasonably suspect that a person is in possession of something relevant to an offence, such as weapons or drugs.
Police Minister Rob Johnson said when offenders were taken to court, time and resources were often spent arguing whether the officer could justify the grounds for their suspicion instead of whether the offenders were actually in possession of weapons, drugs or other illegal objects.
The result was that some offenders got off on a technicality related to the reasons for the search taking place.
Mr Johnson said the new legislation provided greater flexibility for the State Government and police when making a place a declared area.
"The flexibility we are providing in this legislation enables a specific area to be âdeclaredâ at certain times on certain days," Mr Johnson said.
"This will enable police to tailor the timing of their anti-social behaviour strategies and use of their new powers to the times and places they are necessary.
"Police will be able to carry out a basic, non-intrusive search on a person in accordance with police guidelines, similar to those carried out at airports.
"This Government has worked hard to deliver these and other powers to our police in the interests of improving community safety." |
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By: king_bast
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Under the current law, police can only stop and search a person if they reasonably suspect that a person is in possession of something relevant to an offence, such as weapons or drugs.
Erm...yeah...so why is that a problem? If it ain't broke, don't fix it! |
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By: king_bast
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Nearly forgot about the new mandatory sentencing laws too.
Anyone notice a pattern emerging yet? |
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By: foxhound363
7/11/2009
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| Ever notice that when the libs get in WA automatically becomes a neo-na z 1 state.Who can remember when charlie court made it illegal for more than 3 people to meet in the street.I don't agree with withnell,but I know blatant dictatorial bull sh1 t when I see it. |
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By: sandpants66
7/11/2009
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| what a joke, exactly what does this prove? apart from someone trying to get their name in the paper there is absolutley no reason why they would make a ban like this. the wa police should sort out their shit, maybe spend some more time on police work and less time on revenue raising |
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By: peaceleo69
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sadly; in most cases ;the laws do not need to tightened-the sentences are there to be handed out by the courts-but in most cases ;they decline to hand out maximum aentences- even for the worst crimes.
As to the Bikies-there was a piece in the Sunday Times a couple of weeks ago-reporting on Bikie gangs.
By the numbers-of about a dozen clubs; the average is only 50 -including patched and associates and about 100 each; in the couple of major clubs.
All in all-thats a pretty small amount of the population; to spend so much time, police recources and anxt; on.
I remember a couple of years ago- one of the senior bikies had a trucking business in Midland;was known to be a great phiathropist and really well liked in the community.
The police targetted him-drove his business into the ground-wore him down-i think he killed himself in the end.
The tributes in the paper were overwhelming for days.
Dont think too many of the police would engender such an out pouring.
And the majortiy were just community members-not only biker associates.
Yes ;there are scum in thier ranks- like in the rest of society.There are also well respected community members- Drs lawyers surgeons, etc.
There are many who just feel alienated from the minatram and feel protected and accepted within this commiunity.
Yes; there ahve been some pretty rotten crimes committed within this group-but so ;in the rest of society-just more noticable ;when it can be slated home to a paticular group.
In many casaes-I think the choice of those inclined at that stage of life-between patched black leather and patched blue serge-just depends on where they think they will have most power and influence.
At some of the roadblocks etc-swap the uniform-and you couldnt tell the diference on either side!
Good and bad; on both sides of the colour divide!Worse; when its the side ;that should be trusted.
Those who live near bikie club houses have no trouble-they actually feel safe- |
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By: ne0n_dj
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| the funny thing out of all this is that when it comes to corruption, bribery and organised crime.. the bikies can't be any worse than the WA police |
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By: rygar069
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Having stood on a zillion club doors for hours on end, I've met a few ppl who could be said to be bikies and/or bikers.
I've also got extensive knowledge of WA police force through various connections.
It basically comes down to a p1$$ing contest...legally protected plod on one side and illegal rebel rousers (to some extent) on the other.
Push comes to shove, it's very obvious who wins which is why OMC's generally prefer to keep their activities very low profile.
Some members are good, others are rotten to the core.
Same could be said for WA Police...we wouldnt have had royal commissions and a CCC otherwise?
Politicians of every creed pander to popular opinion to keep their names in lights and most importantly, their butts elected and preferably in govt :p
If anyone seriously thinks these laws will be repealed by a change of Govt...they've got shit between their ears!
I am aghast at the curtailing of civil liberties for ANY reason.
If you've done nothing wrong, you should be able to conduct yourself without impediment or restriction.
The law (whether judicial or enforcement) must PROVE guilt and there are valid reasons for this to be the case...protection of the innocent (if nothing else).
If the law actually did it's job properly and investigated properly, built proper cases, handed down appropraite sentences etc...this bullshit outcry of weak gutted pansies demanding protection would cease.
Cops know they are potentially a target for violence just by putting on the uniform. The same can be said for every other rank within legal or political circles.
I get really p1$$ED at listening to all these bleeding do-gooders crying foul when laws are relaxed, sentences reduced, someone got roughed up by plod etc...guess what you pharkers...you created exactly the very environment you asked for!
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By: rygar069
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The loss of family values, community spirit, respect for ones self and others, loss of respect for institutions and front line officers of such, and the upswell of the individual rights, consummerism, stuff you so long as I'm OK, look at me brigade have IMO generated what we see today.
You cant have a beer at a pub without some young buck wanting to toe the line across from you to see if he can measure up.
What the phark for?
Isnt it enough just to have a quiet beer, watch the footy or races etc, and have a laugh with a few mates?
Its a classic cae of oneupmanship...the ole dont bring a knife to a gunfight.
You punch me so I'll stab you before your mate shoots me and my mates waste the crowd by lobbing a grenade.
How about we just put every kid on valium and anti-depressants for life.
I aint especially religious but there's a lot to be said for the old adage -
DO UNTO OTHERS AS YOU WOULD HAVE THEM DO UNTO YOU
Have some respect for yourself, have some respect for others, give the me me me attitude shit a rest, and I reckon we'd all be a lot happier and safer.
As for politicians...it's safer to vote (e) none of the above cos they're all w@nkers :p
Just my opinion.
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By: rygar069
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Should read -
Its a classic case of oneupmanship...the ole dont bring a knife to a gunfight.
I should also say that this shit generally goes in waves.
The same do-gooders espousing individual rights and freedoms are prolly the same w@nkers crying foul cos their elderly aunty just got mugged by some d1ckw@d.
As for Withnell, he's a has-been.
Public face of a private organisation just the same as Kizon...they're nothing more than shit deflectors really :p
While these clowns are protesting this or that to keep their names in lights, the REAL action quietly happens very discreetly somewhere else. |
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| Hi Gary long time no see :) |
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| Mr Bast was banned from many a nightclub back in the day. Always making up some dumb excuses....You're too drunk, not in those shoes yada yada yada...methinks real reason is cos I wuz taking all their wimmin. Maybe it's the same with ediie? From what I've seen, he's got a fair few with potential.... |
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