By: unclefatso01
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However I fail to see what this has to do with WA's inability to govern itself as a country, it has not managed yet as a state and is still 20 years (or more) behind the rest of Australia.
WA secede never in a million years.
Did not answer the question - name one federal government in the last 30 years or more that has done a decent job?
WA is making money hand over fist and the others reap the rewards not us. If we had the cash we make here to spend then I am sure we would attract a better quality of politician to actually manage it.
WA was at one time a leader among the states - the Entertainment Centre (now sadly falling in to ruin) was the first in Aussie and it was a WA Metro council the first started recycling. Sure we have had some duff leaders but people of the ilk of Brand, Tonkin and C Court still exist and I am sure if we had nationhood would enter the public fray.
Then again maybe not after is the country not run by a bunch of mega-rich low or no taxpaying Oligarchs anyway? |
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By: thepinkparsnip
3/09/2009
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<< Did not answer the question - name one federal government in the last 30 years or more that has done a decent job? >>>
You are right!!! There hasn't been one, but that is because the Australian Federal constitution has been undermined by the political parties and their party apperachiks.
Quite frankly I think seccession for W.A would be a good thing because the larger a sovereign power is geographically, the more despotic it usually becomes. But I must concur that the chances of it happening are very remote given the type of vegetables that seem to thrive in W.A. |
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By: napier48
3/09/2009
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But I must concur that the chances of it happening are very remote given the type of vegetables that seem to thrive in W.A.
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They can't even org Weekend trading or Daylight savings .. secede not a snowflakes chance in Darwin.. |
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By: mag.tide
3/09/2009
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Easy organised-
we just vote on it. |
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By: bulldoost
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napier - i was informed by one source that there was actually snow in 1948 in darwin... albeit i do not know if that is true...
and pray, do tell me what i sso great about dls or 24/7 shopping? somehow "benefits" of these elude me... |
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By: darthbobo72
4/09/2009
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| the point is, ausgal, that all you ever do is bag WA. You didn't like it so you pissed off. Fine. Now shut the hell up and join the discussion board for the state you moved to. |
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By: ausgal952753
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the point is, ausgal, that all you ever do is bag WA. You didn't like it so you pissed off. Fine. Now shut the hell up and join the discussion board for the state you moved to.
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By: mag.tide
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| WA got rid of her and her kind but they just cant keep away. |
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By: ausgal952753
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Having lived in WA for a few years I am entitled to my opinion. I did leave for a few reasons, some of which the WA people do not like to hear.
I also have properties in WA so obvioulsy I would prefer WA to come out of the Dark ages.
But with regard to the thread topic, it would be a disastaer for all if bysome mirical the WA people chose to secede.
The WA economy and businesses rely on the rest of the country to supply a workforce and management.
The WA person tends to be lazy and negative. That is how they are.
I thought hard about using the term lazy as laid back may have been more polite. The truth is I have worked with laid back people and there is a difference between laid back and lazy.
WA people are lazy, they want all for nothing. Thsi probably accounts for their absolute negativity about all things including change. |
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By: mag.tide
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| Our laid back lefestyle comes from having it so good. |
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By: thepinkparsnip
4/09/2009
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<<< Our laid back lefestyle comes from having it so good. >>>
??????
So, those homeless West Aussies camping down under bus shelters in Hay Street are having it good are they???
ummmm, I never thought of it that way! |
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By: bulldoost
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thepinkparsnip - '''So, those homeless West Aussies camping down under bus shelters in Hay Street are having it good are they???'''
i do deal with addicts, homeless and other "undesirables", i do deal with them not as part of my paid job but as a volunteer, i do not preach to them, i do not try to convert them to anything, i just try and sometime find in them bit of the lost soul.
maybe you would try? once?
in most cases homelesness in any state in australia is a choice! there are safety nets which will allow these people to be housed, cared, washed and whatsever is needed to help them return to the society. in most cases they choose not to!
statistics for usa shown that 30% of usa society is living in abject poverty, that over 50% is living below poverty line, that 85% cannot afford medical cover and 95% cannot afford dental cover...
same statistics for australia shown that abject poverty in oz do not exist, except by own volition, that below poverty line is living not more than 25% of population. there is universal medical cover and there is free dental cover for people below poverty line...
you are barking at wrong tree sunshine...
it is choice... i do know few engineers, one doctor, one lawyer, one clinical psychiatrist, one former developer in that bunch sleeping in bus shelter on wellington street... |
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By: thepinkparsnip
5/09/2009
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Oh, I see bulldoost! I get it now!! So the majority of these homeless Western Australians are all sleeping under bus shelters, not because they cannot afford to rent, and not because there is a public housing shortage, but because they love roughing it under the stars in W.A boom economy!!
Now why couldn't I have worked that one out? |
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By: bulldoost
5/09/2009
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thepinkparsnip - actually you are right! believe or not... but so am i!
1. in most cases what is the reason why they are on the street?
answ: they cannot afford the rent!
2. why?
answ: insufficient funds!
3. why?
answ: spend it on something else what seem like more important than food or roof... mostly booze...
now, there is estimation that in wa there is about 13,400 homeless, from that 8700 live in perth and suburbs, biggest group is actually between age 12 and 24 (about 35%), majority are runaways from school, problems, family, sometime after few days, sometime after weeks or even years they will return to the family.
significant number (10%) are children age below 12 - these, i can take as no choice! family or circumstances or even government/police actions/inactions are significant in that.
20% of these living on the streets are families, from these families living on the streets, 18% are of aboriginal background (4% of general population) and 14% are of non english speaking backround. these 32% need help really, husband, wife, sometime both, do not speak english, or rudymentary only, they are scared, are afraid that they will be send back to they country, there are several reasons...
unfortunately, none of them are these cited by you... |
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By: allif2900
6/09/2009
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bull I like see where you got your stats from as are very different to ones I got and this is part of my job
most people who are homeless have a mental health issue as not enough supported housing around we have a huge youth homelessness situation as we got 47 youth beds in whole of WA and most won't take then in if got mental health issue or AOD issue |
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By: bulldoost
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allif2900 - try google...
but i have mine from oz bureau of statistics and according to they research data from 2006, some more detailed data i have shelterwa, unfortunatelly they last report available to me is from early 2000's, volunteeringwa have some data but that is not really dependable and without any real research behind it, homeless connect is another source but data supplied by them, is usually this collected by bureau of statistic.
now, empirical data in my possession is pertaining mostly to south west, and i do know that in beautiful city of bunbury we have 72 children in age below 12 which do not have any home to return to. youngest is five. problem with these children is that they are actually feral if that term can be used! they do not trust any adult or even teenager which is not from they group, you can feed them, but when they are placed in foster home, somehow, they will stay there for week, sometime month or two, and then you will get them back! i do not know what to do with them, because beaurocracy know best! instead of placing these children in caring and loving, even adopting families - they "need to be raised by they appriopriate cultural environment!" - this for me is most appaling decision... and i do have limited funds and resources as well as my own family to care for. i do not receive nor i was ever applied for any grand on that matter - grands are restrictive, you need paperwork instead of providing services, you need name, surname, address of recipients...
you raised mental issue, yes, i know, from these 13000 homeless, more than 20% have mental issue, problem is that some learned psychiatrist decided that this person is good enough to live outside of the shelter and he/she will take they medication regularly, life unfortunately said differently, we do not have sufficient number of accomodation for mental patients, we do not have sufficient number of accomodation even for family or child in crisis... |
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By: bulldoost
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| if you could present your sources (they maybe better than mine!) i would really be obliged. |
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By: allif2900
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I'm unsure if the reports are public access yet so not sure when they get put on internet me and IT don't like each other
but you may find them on WA homeless taskforce or even the national homelessness and mental health report both done in 2008-2009 |
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By: thepinkparsnip
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My question is, why W.A with such booming mineral resources has any homeless at all? And why cannot the state government afford to bury its poverty striken dead and chooses to refridgerate them indefinately in hospital morgues?
One answer of course, is that the royalties from that mineral wealth is being used to keep W.A's eastern states rellies in the comfort that they've long been used to..... Another argument for sessession!!
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By: bulldoost
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thepinkparsnip - unfortunately, nobody will answer your question...
even in nations which can afford notaxes and home for every citizen, there are homeless...
we can safely assume that in wa, about 15% to 25% of homeless are people forced by life circumstances and should be re-housed and re-assessed, this still leave great majority which is there by choice, wrong or good but they own choice...
some money will help with situation, but not all ills can be solved with money. it is as previous government was virtually throwing money at atsic and few other totally useless organisations - did it help aboriginals? not really...
it is needed eductaion, more equality in thinking, real help not conversion to faiths or presumed high moral/social stands! non-judgemental approach is working best, but nor most of medico's, nor volunteers, nor police is properly trained in care or help homeless.
i was several times investigated by police what i do working with addicts, why i do not keep records and why i am (they expression!) wasting my own money. they did not see people there... |
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By: unclefatso01
7/09/2009
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They can't even org Weekend Trading or Daylight Savings.
I beg to differ.
All day trading on Saturday has been around for ages. Sunday trading is permitted between 10and 5 in Perth and Freo and most non metro shopping centres such as Rockingham. As for further extending trading hours that has not yet been done and I agree needs attention.
Daylight saving is an old beast. A very good argument against it is that we trade almost entirely with China, Indonesia, Japan and most other parts of SE Asia all of which are in the same time zone when we are on WST so why change it?
Granted we have had some pretty pointless leaders since C Court but I am positive if we chose nation hood over being ripped off by bankrupt easterners that the right people to run the new nation would soon surface preferably people who would not cowtow to the oligarch media owners who run the rest of the show over there beyond the border. |
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By: napier48
7/09/2009
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Court but I am positive if we chose nation hood over being ripped off by bankrupt easterners
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But all the Head offices are in the east , you sand gropers need the east to get youre disorganized lives in order , we feel sorry for you... sort of a motherhood thing really.. |
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By: unclefatso01
8/09/2009
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Hi Napier wrong again... all head offices are in the East. Not so. Woodside's head office is in Perth and has been for years. Chevron are coming to Perth too. Others, such as BHPBilliton might follow.
The really laughable thing about a lot of mining developments here is that it was the state government that did the sales deals to get them going - Gorgon is a case in point that started with Lawrence the R Court mob got a sale and since then B/S has kept it from being developed and where will the bulk of the income from it go - to the bankrupt east. |
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By: jaykaye_09
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| WA seceding = huge, massive laugh. |
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By: napier48
9/09/2009
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Re:WA Secede?
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Why? Simple Taxes gained + the Sandgropers could never org it |
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