By: jaykaye_09
26/09/2008
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'I second the call...RAISE DRINKING AGE TO 21'
-kratos
Yes, because it's worked wonders in the United States, and people under 18, across Australia, have rarely contributed to alcohol abuse... |
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By: saos1n888
26/09/2008
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How many one punch death cases have involved under 21 year olds How maNY drink driving cases have involved over 21 year olds? How many domestic violences cases fuelled by alcohol have been caused by under 21 year olds?
Raising a drinking limit doesnt fix anything.. the current age is 18. I was buying alcohol and getting into clubs at 14...
Education is key.
I can handle my alcohol no problems. Quite a few 25 year olds cannot. |
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By: saos1n888
26/09/2008
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"pubs would go broke as the older ones control drinking,yes all the 1 punch victimes were DRUNK"
LOL you have never owned a bar have you? My dad owns a bar and majority of his issues come from 30 year olds+ and majority of the issues are with 'ockers' or poms.
A 19 year old gets drunk, they throw the person out. No doubt the kid will try get back in, the bouncers throw him out again. Does he swing a punch? rarely.
They ask a 45 year old man to leave, first he gets arrogant swearing at the bouncers, he then threatens to knock out my dad. The bouncers grab him and throw him out. he then starts a fight with the bouncers.
A few nights ago the police setup an RBT on the exists of the pub. 19 people were done. Of those 19 11 were not on there p plates. |
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By: saos1n888
26/09/2008
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I have just googled "One punch death"
- In May, 2008 a 27 year old king hit a 47 year old.
- this case, 24 year old hits a 40 year old
- September, 19 year old hits a 48 year old
- June 9, 08 a 22 year old whacks a 27 year old
Why punish 18, 19, 20 year olds when majority of the time its older people?
By not allowing alcohol to 18 year olds and not allowing them in licensed venues you will have an increase of loitering leading to crime cos they have no where to go. An d then a curfew will be put into placeso they are grounded on weekends.
stop blaming young people for the society screw ups. Your child only learns its values from you. If your child is an abusive drunk then maybe you need to look at yourself or restrict there alcohol intake not mine. |
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By: executive2642
26/09/2008
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| o prve murder one has to prove his intention was to murder the the man but I still think he should be charged with manslaughter and serve quite a bit of time as and example to all these louts with anger issues usually bought about by drug abuse who all think they are America blacks from the hood.\ and have the right to king hit punch kick knife whatever because they are "tough" bout time Australia did what the Americans did in New York which had a very high crime rate untill they bought in zero tolerance no excuses for anything gaol or aa hugh fine for any trivial offece, the crime rate dropped by 62% in 2 years. |
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By: executive2642
26/09/2008
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In Australia the legal age to drink is 18 yrs
They dropped it I think before Vietmam as it was bit hard to tell draughtees "you are to young to have a drink" or vote but but it's alright to conscipt you and for you to die for your country |
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By: racehardandfast
26/09/2008
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| Without going into it I unfortunatley saw what took place that night so lets not try to make scenarios up about what you think happened just because you heard the media say it. This should never of happened and now this poor guy has left behind his wife and 2 young kids. The justice system needs to stamp this sort of stuff out once and for all as way to many guys are going around and doing this kind of stuff on a weekly basis. Let the police do their work and the appropriate punishment will be handed out. |
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By: saos1n888
26/09/2008
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Police do an amazing job, work so hard top have these guys locked away for a long time... but the judge is a soft *** who wont dish out punishments...
imagine if it was a judge that was king hit in a pub? magine the sentence? |
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By: kratos500027
26/09/2008
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"How many one punch death cases have involved under 21 year olds How maNY drink driving cases have involved over 21 year olds? How many domestic violences cases fuelled by alcohol have been caused by under 21 year olds?
Raising a drinking limit doesnt fix anything.. the current age is 18. I was buying alcohol and getting into clubs at 14...
I'm sure you were. But if the age was 21 you wouldn't have. It's easier for a young punk to pass themselves off as 18 than as 21. Of course raising the age isn't going to stop everyone under 21 drinking, but it will raise the average age of the underagers. |
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By: saos1n888
26/09/2008
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No its not... I look the same as I did when I was 17 and im 20 now.
why punish 18 year olds when older people are d1(ks too? |
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By: kratos500027
26/09/2008
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becasue 18 year olds are not as mature as they think they are.
I spent a long time working the doors of nightclubs and pubs, and yes, the youngsters DO cause more trouble. |
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By: racehardandfast
26/09/2008
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| regardless of age these thugs will continue to do what they do irrespective of if they have been drinking or not. I'm sure a lot of you would agree we can go out and drink quite a bit but not feel the urge to start a fight with someone these people thrive on causing pain to people and it's about time the government started doing something about it. They say there is not enough jails and it will cost tax payers money to send these people to jail well as a taxpayer SEND THEM TO JAIL. I would much rather my tax go towards locking these people up then slapping them on the wrist all the time. At the end of the day it is the individuals responsibility to control there actions and if too much alcohol contributed to it then it's your own fault regardless if you are 18 or 80. |
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By: kratos500027
26/09/2008
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"They say there is not enough jails and it will cost tax payers money to send these people to jail well as a taxpayer SEND THEM TO JAIL. I would much rather my tax go towards locking these people up then slapping them on the wrist all the time."
I agree, but mandatory sentencing is far too dangerous a thing. Abolish truth in sentencing laws and get some magistartes who are prepared to actuallt lock people up, instead of finding reasons why they are not responsible for their actions. ie They came from a broken home. Big whoop! My parents divorced when I was about 7 and I never killed anyone. |
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By: jenkinjane
8/10/2008
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| Maybe you need to get your facts right before making such a harsh coment about a 24 year olds future, theres always two sides to a story and accidents happen. |
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By: jenkinjane
8/10/2008
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| I agree with u it can happen to anyone, and a 40 year old bullying a 24 year old, well obviously he felt the need to defend himself but obviously not to kill anyone, it's just an unfortunate accident |
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By: jenkinjane
8/10/2008
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| have u noticed the age difference |
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By: spinsterprincess
22/10/2008
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| Raising the legal age of drinkers will not stop street fights. Many of them are started by people that are not in the clubs but wandering the streets aimlessly. |
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By: crazydaizy6
5/11/2008
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I just happened to stumble across this post and also happened to be the sister inlaw of James Lizatovich.
You are all entitled to your own opinions but the fact of the matter is James, who didn't have a bad bone in his body was taken so tragically from his family and friends.
James lived his life to put smiles on peoples faces making sure everyone was happy. James was and still is "ONE OF A KIND"
so, here we have a man spending a quiet night at his own home with his family, laughing joking having fun.
Then we have this uninvited person who obviously isn't very nice and shatters the worlds of many people beyond belief.
Where do we lay the blame? Throw the book at him? Lock him up for life? Eye for an eye? Does all the questions and answers really matter now? I think not, None of the answers to the questions will never bring James back.
We have our memories of James and that is one thing that this piece of sht can't take away. Every dog will have it's day, he may think he's a big tough man but he's only a very small weak nobody in our worlds.
Until you have to go through this yourselves you will see the hurt the pain and the wrongs and rights.
We all could do ourselves a big favor and take a small piece of James with us...Live Life, Love Life, Smile and be Happy :) RIP James, Keep the Jacks on Ice for Us :) |
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16/11/2008
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By: mayashelisemartindale02
18/01/2009
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| i feel that the person shouldn't get life but do get some time. both lifes are lost a older man loses his family and a young man loses his life by spending time in jail also losing his family. I do how ever understand what the sitituation is because my husband is going through the same thing, him trying to protect some young girls. so i do understand both sides. but if the person didn't know that the person they hit was going to hit there head and die then you can give them murder, but if you didn't know then manslaughter is best. |
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By: saos1n888
18/01/2009
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| Thats whena thing called commonsense comes into play, it is blatantly obvious and has been made blatantly obvious from when you were young you NEVER hit anybody in the head and if you do then they could die. |
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By: peaceleo69
18/01/2009
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totally agree saos-.
May; I beliieve there is a totally diferent case-where someone steps in to protect someone else and something unfotunate happens in them doing the right thing-but whensomeonee deliberately takes a weapon-cricket bat-star picket, lump of wood, boots or attacks a defenceless person ,without provocation-That should be murder.
As saos says-from small children we are taught never to hit someone in the head or it can be very dangerous.
The other case you are speaking about--should be manslaughter; if someone dies in an unfortunate circumstance-but they were the original offender. |
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By: jaykaye_09
19/01/2009
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'but when some one deliberately takes a weapon-cricket bat-star picket, lump of wood, boots or attacks a defenseless person, without provocation - That should be murder.'
-peaceleo
Depending on the circumstances, the likely charge would be murder.
Irrespective, the 'one-punch legislation', and the hysteria surrounding it, is not one of WA's proudest moments. It's a stupid, dangerous thing. |
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By: saos1n888
19/01/2009
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It does still baffle me at how dumb people are. A friends ex boyfriend is a fine example of that. We went to northbridge, he wanted to 'be a man' saw a guy flipping out on something yelled look at that crazy little eff head. The guy went nuts and ran off
a half an hour later we walked out of the club and the guy screamed somethign a bottle hit our friend in the face.. he now has about 6 deep scars on his face..
Did he deserve it? No. But it is his own fault. Did the guy who had no effect on our friends life deserve to be commented on? No not at all. |
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By: kratos500027
19/01/2009
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"it is blatantly obvious and has been made blatantly obvious from when you were young you NEVER hit anybody in the head and if you do then they could die."
Rubbish. Throughout 15+ years of mixed martial arts I have taken and delievered thousands of punches, kicks etc to the head and I've not caused a single death. Your attitude is part of the problem, not the solution. Too many years of thinking it'll never happen, rather than preparing for when it does happen.
I definitely DON'T pick fights on the street, but it is important to be prepared for when that young punk decides to target you. |
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