By: mr_bruce.haines
10/03/2008
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Good morning all Victorians and people visiting these boards.
As some of rural Victorian people, especially in the north-eastern region, know, Mr. *** by has given the green light to build a pipeline from Lake Eildon (North-eastern Victoria's major water source, also Lake Mokoan too.) via Yea and along side of the Melba Highway into the suburbs of Melbourne. At this state, Lake Eildon is almost a puddle and now, the selfish Melbournians, are taking it for there pleasure. I think that is not fair at all, what are we meant to live on now? Lake Mokoan is now going to be drained out to, and the government is denying access to Lake Nillahcootie's water.
You have blown it now Mr. *** by, no farming, no agriculture. Melbourne will have to import all its food from interstate and all of us farmers will have to move into the city which I can assure you, we don't like the city! We will virtually die, without a water source to our towns.
Sorry, you lost our next vote! >:( |
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By: weather.dude22
10/03/2008
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| Dont know anything about it, but it sounds pretty stupid! |
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By: drizaboneruss
30/03/2008
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| Its happened all over Victoria for years now. Thompson dam-water to Melbourne, Hume, Eildon etc. ALL water to melbourne so that the selfish people can wash their driveways and full-flush their toilets, and citylink can pump fresh water to hold up the Burnley Tunnel walls. |
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By: thomasc_au
30/03/2008
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| Thw whole water policy of the vic *** by government doesn't make sense to the Rudd working families as he travels around this country,the world etc. getting inflated ideas of leadership already. remember polies work for us not us for them,protest potest protest until they listen. desalination is also a disgrace. |
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By: red260z
30/03/2008
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What's all this Us Vs Them garbage.... how old are you people? I live in Melbourne and save every drop I can. Nearly every Melburnian I know follows the "If it's yellow let it mellow, if it's brown flush it down!" rules with their toilet. I have not washed my car in months. I bucket my shower & washing machine water to my garden.
Please stop & think. Blaming people for imagined things will not make more rain fall. Come up with ideas that will actually help & push thm into you local government rep!
I tell everyone I know and strangers too, why oh why dosn't the government get tanks hooked up to every house so we can flush our toilets with rain water!! Just imagine the drinking water we would all save. Surly this could be done so we could pay the tanks off on our water bills.
Come on everyone. Don't just bag people, come up with ideas to help.
On another note. The pipe is not goint to solve the long term problems. Farming has to change. Water useage has to change. We all have to think hard & come up with good ideas. Don't just say No to an idea without giving good logical reasons and providing good logical alternatives.
P.S. Sorry for any spelling errors. :-) |
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By: verdibee
31/03/2008
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So long as the water situation is about each state trying to get it all, we will have problems. Where is all the rain falling at the moment. Mostly in the northern area of the country. If you had seen the amounts of water just running into the ocean in Nth Qld in January, you would be hopping mad.
A few people have suggested that this over supply in the north should be piped to the south. It would cost a fortune, but then so did the Snowy River scheme in the 1950's. The US built the huge oil pipes in Alaska, so why can't this country do the same for water. Believe it or not, but we can exist without oil, but we die without water. This country is still getting plenty of rain, it's just mostly all falling in the north.
If every state and the fed govt got together this could be done. Yes, it would cost of lot, but it would create a huge number of jobs and would take at least 20-30 years to fund and complete. Now is the cheapest it will get, so now is when a progressive govt should be seriously thinking about doing this. It would definitely drought proof the country forever. |
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By: weather.dude22_again
31/03/2008
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| Red, building a pipeline to Melbourne and draining the major water source for NE Victoria is a bad idea. As I said, what a pathetic, selfish way Br.u.mby is placing this. Br.u.mby, wake up you silly fool! |
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By: weather.dude22_again
31/03/2008
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| And farming isn't got to change anyway! None of us aren't got to be making any GM products and with that. We have NO WATER to actually live! You will have our only 25% left of Lake Eildon and Bru.mby will ask for more, more, more! Gawd, people can be so stupid these days! |
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By: drizaboneruss
11/04/2008
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| Victoria should be cut at the Murray and parked south of Tasmania so the rest of Australia doesnt have to carry them. |
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By: the_albatross762
11/05/2008
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I can appreciate your frustration -- this North-South pipeline proposal is, unfortunately, going to drive a real schism between the rural & metropolitan communities.
The whole proposal is flawed. Govt are hoping [and perhaps praying] that it is going to rain in the following manner -- well above average falls to start with [soaking rains that will saturate the soils and generate run-off to "catch-up" and fill the dams/storages]..... and then above average rainfall that we will guarantee the survival, prosperity and sustain our wonderful Foodbowl Region in the Murray-Darling Basin [MDB].
Unfortunately, like most winsome stories, this is a just a fairy tale.
We need to find 'new sources' of potable water. Farmers cannot simply 'adjust' to a chronic lack of water, anymore than people can survive on 1 glass of water per day.
Have a look at my weblog on a possible solution here:
http://arewetheclevercountry.blogspot.com/
Comments welcome.
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By: ads3008
30/05/2008
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Good day all,
I like many people i am very confused about this pipeline and have some questions/frustration. I have lived in the Goulburn Valley for over 10 years and have worked as an outdoor instructor for 12years. I use the Goulburn River for recreation as well as for work.
As many people know this river is turned on for the summer months for irrigation purposes, the last few years the river has been at minimal flows during the summer. My first question/frustration is, why is the river turned on to full flow for events like the opening day of the fishing season?
If the government takes water from an already struggling river system, what are the effects? Less water for irrigation, smaller crops, less foods and foods price increase. As well as many other environmental effects on the river. Then what will the governments knee jerk reaction be for the rising cost of food?
Not only the consumers, but the farmers cop it as well. The farmers that live in Goulburn valley and Murray Darling region produce over 50% of Victorian and NSW food. For those of you who do not know farmers pay for irrigation water, over the last few years farmers have been charged full price for water, but have only received between 30% and 50% of that water. In some cases farmers have been charged for stealing water they have already paid for.
What I do not understand is that the government has a chance to set a standard within Victoria, Australia and even the world when it comes to water saving and collection. Victoria plans to spend $4.9 billion as part of a drought-busting plan the majority of it going to the north south pipeline and desalination plant.
Lets get serious about this. Why is there not a timeline for water tanks to be installed in all Victorian homes? Why cannot some of that $4.9 billion be put toward rebates on water tanks. Why is there so much red tape when it comes to installing grey water systems? What is this water going to be used for?
Have a good day. |
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By: verdibee
30/05/2008
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| I guess keeping the govt in power. They think and are probably right, that the people won't know that its their (govt's) schemes that are making food prices go through the roof. It doesn't take a PhD to know that if there isn't enough water to keep crops alive, then there won't be so much food and then the prices go sky high. Good luck Victoria, I think you're going to need it. |
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By: heironymusbsch
30/05/2008
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Correct me if I am wrong, but I think Melbourne uses less than 10% of its water for house and garden (stock and domestic), with the remainder being used by industry.
Piping water to Melbourne is to save the industries from collapsing. Hard choice. Let Melbournes industries collapse or let the farmers suffer? More votes in Melb than the Goulbourn valley, so theres your immediate answer.
Too many greenies running the country. Melb should have several desal plants, but hey the greenies wont let that go ahead........
The Goulbourn system cant meet the demands of rural users now, so HTF is it going to meet Melb's as well?
Anyone seen Eildon lately? Its about 10%, as are most Water storages (if that) in "the bush".........
HARD HARD times coming for this country, not only from a water perspective...........
One of the few remaining options for people in "the bush" is utilising groundwater. Fortunately in the Goulbourn valley and surrounding areas, its pretty good quality, with the exception of Seymour, where its 99% Salt... too bad if you live in Seymour, lol. |
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By: lilacz_09
30/05/2008
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Correct me if I am wrong, but I think Melbourne uses less than 10% of its water for house and garden >>
I heard it was about 2%....... Could be wrong, I have been known to be wrong once or twice.... |
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By: asiocia
4/06/2008
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| But the premier has found new water north of the Divide. All will be saved, especially Melbourne |
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By: flowerdalejewel
4/06/2008
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| I'm so pleased that all has been saved, now if the numnuts that thought up this idea would come up here, we have a few pipes of our own we can stuff them into. |
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By: pinotnow
5/06/2008
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Have we all forgotten a very important point in the debate?
Melbourne is not taking ANY existing water! Instead, the govt is replacing the old, wasteful channel irrigation with pipe irrigation so no more water evaporates from the channels.
This is going to save billions of litres of water for the Goulburn Valley farmers.
Then, in return, some of the water that would otherwise have gone to the sun, will be pumped to Melbourne.
Not much of an ask, unless you'd like to keep your leaky old channels of course. |
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By: heironymusbsch
5/06/2008
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Weeeeeeeeell I guess we need to have the water to actually fill the channels to start with. They havent been "full" for quite a long long time. Irrigators are getting, in some cases, as little as 5% allocation.
Piping the water, instead of the channel system, wont make much difference, IMO. Evaporation is relatively low as the water is moving and is generally about 1.5 mt's deep, in the channel, thus the temp of the water is maintained quite low, thus evaporation is low. Leaking channels? Not as much as the govt would have you believe actually. The majority of the channels are built in clay soil, so they just dont leak! A minority of service channels are inefficient, however the "gains" from piping are really just a pie in the sky, created by the govt to justify their own agenda........
The reality is that there are more votes in Melb than in the "bush", so say goodbye to your water, its gonna be helping Bracks stay in power, or so he hopes............ |
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By: flowerdalejewel
5/06/2008
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| Melbourne Water pilfers water from all over the state and now wants to stick its fingers into the Goulburn. The King Parrot Creek is now down to a trickle because of water theft at Wallaby Creek, I think Pinotnow needs to worry about the leaky logic for all this not the "leaky channels" |
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