By: wadejohn75
22/10/2007
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But will the people let Penguin become the 'new' latte-society of Australia?
Put "Penguin Outlook" in a search engine and bring up the result that is in nwtasmania.yourguide.
A 5 storey development was rejected so the developers came back with an 8 storey complex, bigger, higher, more expensive and a slap in the face for the people who rejected the initial proposal.
Let's be clear about this. These developments are nothing more than grandiose plans to redevelop a town that is currently sedate and relaxed.
SO, here is my solution. Developers, buy the caravan park off the council at the western end of town and go and play resort development to your heart's content, but leave the town and the main street alone or go and live in Noosa or St Kilda, where you belong. |
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By: wadejohn75
31/10/2007
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Latest news, another development plan has been rejected:
The Central Coast Council has rejected an application to build a $40 million four-storey development at Penguin.
Councillors said they were legally bound to deem the Sun, Moon and Stars project invalid.
The Stephen Roche development would have included nine shops, 18 residential apartments and 39 serviced apartments. |
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By: tassie_insider
1/11/2007
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Penquin is a great little town that does not need mainlanders stuffing it up.
Go back to Sydney and leave the beautiful town alone.
At the moment it is a place with peace and beauty - we do not need concrete monoliths that look like the rest of the world - Penquin is so special! |
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By: estebanxl61
16/11/2007
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2 points:
Firstly, raised in NW Tasmania and forced to move to the Mainland to actually get a job after being university educated in Hobart it dismays me to still here this anti mainlander/large city/outsider etc mentality still persisting. If you don't like the development, which you have every right to, and want Penguin to remain a quaint seaside town, which it is....discuss your opposition in these terms and not see it as an 'us' versus 'them' thing as I'm sure that the local people would not like to be labelled as people from a backwater with a small town mentality and insular. I know this is not true as I know the town well.
Secondly, all development comes at a cost,that's the economic paradigm and of life as well, although not all development is bad it needs to be sensitive and in keeping with what the local people want coupled with that lack of it has a cost in terms of local employment, retaining youth and economies of scale etc. I would hope that those who are opposed to these types of development are also putting their energy into preserving the architectural heritage of the town and its historical amenity, trying to preserve what they seek to maintain. In my experience of living on the NW Coast most of it has been a victim of poor decision making by small minded local government and people who oppose large developments but allow by stealth developments that have systematically destroyed the architectural heritage of many of the North West Coast towns (especially Devonport...historic hotels and railway station to name a few). This has resulted in the Northwest coast being robbed of much of its visual history..a point I may add that is not lost on many vistors who are surprised to arrive in Devonport and see it with little architectural heritage remaining...I hope that Penguin and its council and people fight to preserve the architectural heritage and amenity that is left |
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By: wadejohn75
16/11/2007
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#1 - Penguin is not Hobart, Noosa or any other town/city that has a meandering population that like to squat on the sidewalk and drink cofee before school, work or leisure.
Penguin is not a cafe latte society, nor is Penguin wanting to be introduced to a cafe latte society where the locals pander to the nuances of bohemian custom.
If anything, Penguin is a retirement village for the wealthy landowners of the north and northwest who have not unshackled themselves from their tea, scones and newspaper habits.
The developments currently being considered for Penguin do not favour Penguin, they favour the wealthy developers who see the town as their very own cash cow. |
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By: wadejohn75
5/04/2008
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<"Penquin is a great little town that does not need mainlanders stuffing it up.
Go back to Sydney and leave the beautiful town alone.
At the moment it is a place with peace and beauty - we do not need concrete monoliths that look like the rest of the world - Penquin is so special!"> --
All of Stephen Roche's properties are up for sale, he is returning to the mainland.
Good job, now we Tasmanians might have a say in what type of lifestyle we find enjoyable for our little township of Penguin.
New developers are moving in from Sydney with bungalow style accomodation development, more in keeping with the holiday atmosphere of the township.
Roche is taking his excessive ideas back to some other state. Has he finally realised his limitations? |
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By: axojimmie
7/04/2008
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What a pity Wadejohn75 does live by his Favorite Quote as displayed in his Profile "Wake up world, time to get a move on!"
Penguin needs to move with the times and its a great pity to think the negative attitude of a few so called "locals" has caused Stephen Roche to want to give up.
What happens now? How long will it be before these people find something they don't like about the next lot of mainland developers and the "hate campaign" begins again. |
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By: axojimmie
8/04/2008
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| OOPs...missed out the most important word in the first sentence......should have been "does not live by" |
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By: wadejohn75
8/04/2008
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| And you think that a cafe latte set of jetsetters sitting on the streets of Penguin is what Penguin needs to be awakened from its calm torpor? |
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By: axojimmie
8/04/2008
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| Why not!!!! Do you go on holidays? What if those places you visited had the same attitude and didn't cater to the tourists. I would be interested in your definition of a "cafe latte jetsetter". I don't think all tourists are just after a "latte" .....what else can can Penguin offer other than some old buildings that are way past their use by date. Its not just the tourists that need things in Penguin......ever tried to buy a pair of socks e.g. in town lately!! |
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By: wadejohn75
8/04/2008
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Here is the scenario, in brief.
In S Roche's own words he wanted to "create a lifestyle" and introduce "a cafe latte style of ambience" in Penguin.
In his own words and in his mailout to wealthy business people of the mainland he calls Penguin "the Noosa of the south". His main interest was in trying to "develop a town, not just a building".
Furthermore it appears that development was not a priority of Roche International, but approval for development was, followed by the sale of intended developments.
No one is appealing the development of the town, but many are appealing the nature of riding roughshod over the townspeople.
Socks? Yes, I can buy socks in town.
On the other hand, the other developments planned for the old caravan park have gone ahead without a squeak. Why? probably because the developers were not trying to take over the town and create an image in their own likeness.
Penguin, unlike Noosa, does not have a beach set for 9 months of the year. For 9 months of the year only walkers and their dogs use the beach.
And Penguin will become such a great tourist Mecca for the ...? for the people who want to ... ? |
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By: monkey_pie1
8/04/2008
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| I like the rubbish bins in Penguin. Very cute |
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By: dunnycan
9/04/2008
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| Where did you manage to buy those socks? |
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By: elizabeths481
9/04/2008
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The main reason the Penguin residents don't approve of these developments is that they don't fit with the town. If anyone has ever seen the main street and the artists impressions of the buildings, it is clear that they just don't suit the town.
It really annoys me that people claim that it is a "minority" of residents that are opposed to the developments, try "majority". The main people who approve of them don't even live in Penguin!
I talk to people who come through the town and they all say what a beautiful place it is. I don't see why people want to change it. We're never going to be some huge tourist hot spot. Take a good look at the place and you can see that. The people who live here love it how it is, and don't want our lovely town to be ruined by great monstrosities on the main street.
It also really annoys me when people claim that Penguin is against gays. We're not. Most residents couldn't care less what Mr Roche's sexuality is. I don't think it should factor into anything as it really isn't relevant. As for the gay hate mail sent around; I never saw it. I don't know anyone who has.
I'm not against progress in Penguin, but I want it to suit the town. Builing eight storey apartment buildings will not supply people with jobs. And buliding boutiques and shopping malls? It's been done and it just doesn't work. We're five minutes from Ulverstone, ten from Burnie, and twenty from Devonport. We don't need clothing stores here. We don't need any of it.
Penguin should just stay the way it is until someone wants to build something appropriate. |
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By: axojimmie
9/04/2008
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"We are never going to be a huge tourist spot...." take a look at how many tourists visit the Market on Sundays....wouldn't it be nice if we had accommodation and something to keep them here on the other six days.
Elizabeths481 you say we don't need clothing stores here but I really feel for those that don't drive or want to rely on a bus, 5 mins from Ulverstone doesn't help them buy that "jumper, ball of wool, needle etc." or even that pair of socks I am still unable to find.
You say you don't know anyone who has seen the gay hate mail.....I have! I have also seen the slanderous graffitti on signs coming into town and I also witnessed the blackboard sign placed outside a business at the weekend claiming victory "Penguin 1 .... roaches 0".(I am unable to fill in the other word because Yahoo have indicated it is offensive language...how ironic!!!) This was disgusting - how would this business have reacted if Stephen had displayed a sign at his market with regard to their business.
Those who oppose regard themselves as the majority - those who are for the development regard themselves as the majority......those that I talk to also say it is beautiful but wish for something else to keep them here.
We are all entitled to our own opinions. There will always be the ones who want Penguin to remain the same, ones who want change and the ones who want change with a "if" or "but" included in their change.
THERE NEVER WILL BE A WINNER IN THIS DEBATE.....to get 100% agreement is a pipe dream. |
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By: wadejohn75
10/04/2008
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Really nice "Mongrel" socks at the market, expensive but 100% thick wool.
The accommodation is being built at Johnsons', more accommodation approval has been passed, for the tourists. Maybe what is needed is a dedicated mobile home parking area.
Essentially, the town is divided, obviously. But what are they divided on? It is not a division on progress or development. SO what is the division on? Elizabeth has her view which is along the same trend as others, that 8 story complexes will have a tendency to deny Penguin of its charm and identity, which has clearly been admitted to by one of the developers as in:
"The designer of Nomico's $9 million Outlook commercial and retail development at Penguin concedes the proposal would fundamentally alter the existing streetscape of Main Rd.
Architect Wayne Ellis said while the town did not need a 28.5m high building to satisfy the demand for housing, he argued Penguin could accept such an outcome for an iconic structure."
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Which is against the wishes of a majority of councillors and ratepayers. So why does the development have to be monstrous? What do the tourists pass through here for? They are going somewhere IN TASMANIA. Are they going to come here to shop, to relax in winter? |
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By: wadejohn75
10/04/2008
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| So let's have a Penguin referendum. Not an Ulverstone, Sulphur Creek or Riana referendum. And let's see what the town wants not what someone wants for the town. |
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By: elizabeths481
10/04/2008
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I have seen the writing on signs coming into Penguin and I don't agree with it, but I can see where some people are coming from when they did it, in a way, but I do agree that it is wrong.
The development debate will never be one, and not everyone will ever be satisfied with the results, whatever they may be.
I have been a resident of Penguin all my life and I love it how it is.
I understand that some people don't have transport to take them to the nearby towns, but we have had clothing stores and shoe stores, etc before and they didn't last.
I agree with wadejohn75, let's have a Penguin referendum. |
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