By: dallone.ranger
26/05/2009
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| Anyone down there in Tas know how the Voluntary Euthanasia debate is going in parliament? Or when they will have a vote (conscience) on it. |
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By: dallone.ranger
26/05/2009
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Googled Tas papers and found this.
May 26, 2009 08:10am
TASMANIANS will lose the ability to "grow" from the experience of death if euthanasia laws are passed, an expert says.
Hobart palliative care physician Paul Dunne said he often marvelled at the benefits a family got when their loved one was on their deathbed.
"It is hard, but the value that I see regularly is that families that have lost communication often gain communication again," Dr Dunne said yesterday.
"It is one of the remaining rituals that we have in our society because that person lying in the bed is very powerful in bringing families together."
While pain management had come "a hell of a long way", Dr Dunne admitted some people would suffer without euthanasia.
"There are some people in whom you cannot control pain without sacrificing their awareness," he said.
"[But] sometimes the suffering is what allows people to grow and move on."
Greens leader Nick McKim will table the Dying With Dignity Bill 2009 in Parliament today.
If passed, the Bill will make it legal for terminally ill people suffering intolerable pain to choose to die with medical assistance.
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Lets hope Dr Dunny soon has a chance to enjoy some intolerable pain himself so as to 'bring his family together'. This man is a lunatic and should be in a home. |
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By: dallone.ranger
26/05/2009
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| Hello, anyone home? Haven't all been euthanaised already. |
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By: peaceleo69
27/05/2009
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TASMANIANS will lose the ability to "grow" from the experience of death if euthanasia laws are passed, an expert says.
Hobart palliative care physician Paul Dunne said he often marvelled at the benefits a family got when their loved one was on their deathbed.
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gawd I laughed when I read that first senctnce-grow from the experience of death-I thought that was when you stopped growing-!!
But it was about growing the coffers of the palliative care industry.
One of the few major expanding industries in the country!!
Feedlotting elderly ,infirm ,patients; for as long as possible; to milk the taxpayers dollars for thier shareholders.
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"[But] sometimes the suffering is what allows people to grow and move on."
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but THEN he did it again!!
uncontrolled pain and suffering; allows people to grow and move on-what kind of a sicko is this bloke??
Maybe he should be out there torturing animals-they may not be quite as defenceless as dying humans!
"This man is a lunatic and should be in a home. "
preferably ;one of his own palliative care feedlots!!
In this day and age-human beings deserve more dignity and love than that!What a selfish rse.
Gathering around a loved one; who is able to die with dignity; at a time of their own choosing-is also a more kindly and rewarding experience.
As it is planned and one has time to say their goodbyes and all be there to surround their loved one ;as they gently slip from this realm. |
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By: peaceleo69
27/05/2009
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| I am presuming if you go to the Tasmanian Greens website, you may pick up more up to date information! |
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By: alienxxx99
27/05/2009
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| Somebody should shoot Paul Dunne and quickly. |
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By: peaceleo69
27/05/2009
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Somebody should shoot Paul Dunne and quickly.
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no-for those like himself-the lingering form of death they
demand for others ;is more appropriate for them to suffer-the longer and more painful the better.
Think; what a wonderful experience he will have -how he 'will grow' and 'benefit' from the experience!!
You wouldnt be so cruel ,to deprive him of that marvelous experience ;would you ,now??
Doncha just love-'expurts"?? |
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By: wadejohn75
27/05/2009
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<"Paul Dunne said he often marvelled at the benefits a family got when their loved one was on their deathbed."> - Mercury
That says it all for me, the guy is a head trip on people dying. I can see him hovering in the background when people are suffering at the lingering and pain their loved one is in ... and this guy gets off on it. |
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By: dallone.ranger
27/05/2009
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| Does anyone know if the bill has been voted on yet? |
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By: gornat96
27/05/2009
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Euthanasia is one of those things that 90% of people would vote for and yet the politicians won't go near it. Can someone explain to me why?
Quite a few years ago now one of my best mates father had cancer and he was a tuff old guy and he hung on and hung on for a couple of years longer than anyone thought he would. His quality of life was zero for the last 12 months or so and it absolutely tore the rest of the family apart. The stress of it all reduced his mum to a trembling shadow of her former self and she remains like it to this day and his 2 brothers lives fell apart in that time both separating from their wives and losing their jobs and remaining unemployed to this time.
Euthanasia should be about common sense, when the time is right people should be able to seek medical assistance to help their loved ones slip away peacefully and without pain.
To my way of thinking it's all very simple. |
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By: gornat96
27/05/2009
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| My mate also separated from his wife in that time as well although unlike his brothers he is self employed and still does well enough for himself. |
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By: wadejohn75
27/05/2009
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" ...politicians won't go near it. Can someone explain to me why?"
Politicians know how many people go to mass on Sunday.
Look at the money that is being made out of keeping people lingering. |
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By: dallone.ranger
27/05/2009
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| I think it has more to do with the fact that our leaders are god botherers, and therefore dead against it. |
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By: peaceleo69
28/05/2009
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| could you please explain your last two inchoherant ludicruous statements and also ,why you feel the need to shout at people here. |
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By: peaceleo69
28/05/2009
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Look at the money that is being made out of keeping people lingering.
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now; I think you have the crux of it there!!
Dying is the largest growing business these days-whichever part of the industry, you are lucky enough to invest in. |
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By: wadejohn75
28/05/2009
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A tender hearted soul demands death to be a time of lingering and healing - for who?
Obviously not the person dying, but for the tender hearted soul ... and the rest of the circus that surrounds a person dying. |
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By: brianbsa250
29/05/2009
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| I watched my mother week after week slowly die for 5 years.Maybe it would have been better if she was mobile but is just moving your eyes classed as mobile.I have since put a time limit on my life before i get to a stage of not knowing what is going on and what i need to do.My family have been pre warned and i have paid for my cremation and not a funeral,i believe funerals are priced far beyond the means of most and families dont need more financial problems.They are also ripping $1000s off people for about 3hours work.The right to life can watch and grizzle as they watch their loved ones die slow or in agony and i hope they go the same way as there is no god to help you.YOU ARE ON YOUR OWN IN DEATH |
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By: peaceleo69
31/05/2009
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at the core of this is the voluntary euthenasia debate and the matter of choice and the reasons for it.
The arguement ;is that palliative care can be so good and our old folks can be well looked after-so no need to make elderly people think they are a burden and will opt for VE.
That is stating an optimal situation and most of us know optimal-is not the norm-and many of us do not want the 'optimal' treatment anway.
For any average-there are a lot that are far below the'average!'
To see where a lot of the norm in the elderly feedlot industry lies and the reason why a lot of us heading in that direction ; and no one is immune in the end-want an opt out clause, before we reach that position-:
The ABC is running a Four Corners expose' on the aged care industry-
Monday nite- ABC1 8-30pm! |
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By: wadejohn75
31/05/2009
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We have a provision on our licences to opt for 'Organ Donation'.
We could just as well have an option that we prefer to euthanase ourself rather than be forced to live against our will. |
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By: darkandlightofthenight
31/05/2009
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We have a provision on our licences to opt for 'Organ Donation'.
yes and the tasmanian greens wanted to change that, so if you didnt ""OPT OUT "" they would cut you up and sell you to rich sick people.
unbeleiveable, now they are trying this, very deceptive way around.
P.S MODS= if this post is deleted, i know u are trying to censor honest debate and stifle my side of the story, and i will come back on in a hundred other nicknames to make my point, i think this is a very serious debate that deserves LEGITIMATE deabate. |
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By: darkandlightofthenight
31/05/2009
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must be frustrating having a silly sausage like me and others in the way of a massive unethical spare parts industry
all roads are leading to this eventually, hence the clever different approaches, step by step, a step at a time. |
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By: sumo_cerberus_sumo
31/05/2009
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| We put down our pet so they dont suffer the pain of old age,or the suffering of sicknes and death is imminent,so why should we make our old people and near to death suffer the pain of waiting to die,when in truth it would be kind to end ther suffering,if that is what the person who is suffering wishes so end there suffering,then it is humane to do so for them,and so it should be allowed,its its our own life,you cannot own anyone,or realy tell them what to do if they dont wish it,and it it your own life and you have the right to do with it as you wish,it is a shame when a person wants to die when they have a lot to live for and there is nothing wrong with them,but if you are giong to die,in hours or days,and the waiting for death and the suffering of they pain the yes,people should have the right to end there life. |
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By: wadejohn75
1/06/2009
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What is the opposition to a person who is suffering a terminal illness, who is in pain, who has no alternative but a painful, eventual death, wanting to take their own life, to die with some dignity and leave this finite existence and pass into the unknown?
It is not a sentence on old people. It is not doctor's and nurses putting names in a barrel and drawing out the next victim.
It is about one person making a decision about themself terminting their life. Hysterical nonsense is not a part of the debate. |
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