By: emucorp
16/04/2008
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| And pssssst I spend a heap of time in Qld ... not that it's relevant. |
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By: stealth666@y7mail.com
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| You made comment previously that you have a problem with NSW Police speeding through school zones so why not voice it in the NSW forum where it just might get through to the relevant people it needs to? It's just that when you keep posting about your experiences with the Police, you are talking about NSW and it comes across to those on this board that you are referring to QLD Police to those that didn't catch your post the other night. |
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By: lilacz_09
16/04/2008
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They'd be able to fee up a lot of resources if they desisted from harassing people and would get a lot more respect if they weren't constantly seen to be breaking the law themselves>>>>
I'm assuming you're talking about traffic offences emu? You should be aware that if we are in the execution of our duty, if it is reasonable in the circumstances and we are taking due care and attention, then we are exempt from the Australian Road Rules.
Interesting too that such an avid supporter of the police has publicly admitted to driving from the age of six - >>>
Private property you don't need a licence, don't need the car registered - only thing you can't do is you can't drive p1ssed. |
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By: lilacz_09
16/04/2008
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if they desisted from harassing people >>>
That's ridiculous. If people would simply obey the laws, then we wouldn't need to 'harass' them at all. |
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By: dnn_zhnr
16/04/2008
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My experience with the Qld Police is as follows:- 17yo was bashed in mid morning, broad daylight outside the Post Office smack bang in front of the highly flaunted, new cameras which were to safeguard the innocent...or so we had been told in the local paper again and again.
An old man stepped forward and left his name & address and told the 17yo he saw everything and would be prepared to be a witness for him.
Council was contacted to hold film until $30 (???) fee could be paid on Friday, three days hence. Assurance given said film was there for viewing at ##pm on Friday. The assailant was known to the 17yo, charges were laid with police but only after having to insist over and over that they be laid. To say that discouragement was advised would be an understatement. This discouragement was given by a police officer who had sent the young officer off on a frivolous errand. It should be noted that police can have the film immediately free of charge. Not once was that mentioned and not once did they access this film even after they were asked to several times. On arriving at the viewing of the tape the security officer then imforms that the camera had malfunctioned on that particular day.
It helped the assailant no end that he was best mates with this police officer. Now amazingly the assailant was nowhere to be found, although he was easily spotted around town the police just couldn't locate him at all.
Did the innocent bloke win in the end? Nah!!
... this part of the saga ended when a fax was sent to a well-known talkback radio personality as a last resort because the innocent was being hounded and the guilty was laughing and drinking with his mate the copper. The upshot was that the newsagent in the town had gone to school with the assailant and lo and behold within an hour of the fax being passed across the counter of the papershop the baddie was located. Surprise? Not even a little bit. |
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By: dnn_zhnr
16/04/2008
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Oh! yeah, that's right I forgot to tell you about the old man who saw everything and volunteered to be a witness for the young fellow. When he was called upon he said a policeman had called around and explained the situation to him and he would rather not get involved.
You see people do have reason to distrust the police and just because we voice our opinion doesn't make us wrong. Goodo if you have had a good experience with police but realise also that there are those of us who have had really bad experiences, too. |
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By: stealth666@y7mail.com
16/04/2008
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| Well, what was the situation that made the old man not want to get involved? Did anyone ever find out that half of the story? What provoked the attack on the 17 year old in the first place? There are always two sides to each and EVERY story. |
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By: lilacz_09
16/04/2008
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There are always two sides to each and EVERY story.>>>
I have found that there are usually three sides to every story. What he said happened, what the other bloke said happened and then what actually happened..... |
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By: dnn_zhnr
16/04/2008
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Yes there are two sides to every story, that lad was my son and I was speaking to him on the public telephone outside the post office as the attack took place. It was on my advice that my son stayed in full view of the camera so that there was footage. The assailant was the father of my sons girlfriend. He has a very long record for assault and has in the past done time for almost killing another of his victims in his drunken rage.
I am not one of these parents who think their children can do no wrong. I look at situations from both sides before I make judgement regardless of whether I like the result or not. I am a realist. |
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By: dnn_zhnr
16/04/2008
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Scoff all you want, it's no skin off my nose but it is all very well documented in the court papers, in the letters to the editor of the local, provincial and city newspapers, in the council chambers and the local member of parliaments office.
As to your question about the old man...I'm sure you can add up as well as any of us - cops' mate in trouble - cop visits witness - witness reneges on testifying = ? exactly! |
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By: emucorp
16/04/2008
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"Private property you don't need a licence, don't need the car registered - only thing you can't do is you can't drive p1ssed."
Nice try Lilacz ... the crim in question posted that he'd been driving on country roads - not private property - since the age of six.
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By: emucorp
16/04/2008
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"Scoff all you want, it's no skin off my nose but it is all very well documented in the court papers, in the letters to the editor of the local, provincial and city newspapers, in the council chambers and the local member of parliaments office."
Those around here who don't have the capacity to concede the fallibility of the police force wouldn't accept any of this Dydee.
There must be something fundamentally wrong with you to believe that the boys and girls in blue could ever do anything untoward. Perhaps you're a criminal yourself? Hmmmmmmm?
Earlier in the thread I was informed that a police officer would be justified in assaulting me if he didn't like my tone - go figure. |
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By: emucorp
16/04/2008
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"You should be aware that if we are in the execution of our duty, if it is reasonable in the circumstances and we are taking due care and attention, then we are exempt from the Australian Road Rules."
No doubt the bloke cruising along Park Street in Sydney last weekend chatting on his mobile was "in execution of his duty"?
Give it a rest ... I could fill three threads with incidents where I've witnessed cops breaking the law with impunity who were as much in "Execution of Whatever" as I am the Sultan of Brunei. |
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By: lilacz_09
16/04/2008
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Those around here who don't have the capacity to concede the fallibility of the police force wouldn't accept any of this Dydee. >>>
emu, I think you're being a bit silly. No one believes that there aren't police who are capable of being corrupt/criminal/negligen t/lazy/incompetent. It's just that there is so much anti police sentiment on these boards, posted by people with often hidden agendas, that some police 'supporters' on here prolly defend the police 'too' much. |
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By: lilacz_09
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No doubt the bloke cruising along Park Street in Sydney last weekend chatting on his mobile was "in execution of his duty"?>>
Who knows, I often am on my mobile whilst driving to a job, getting extra info from the radio operator that we don't want put 'over the air'. |
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By: dnn_zhnr
16/04/2008
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You are so right, Mr. Legs, and that is what makes a bad cop worse - the rose coloured glasses and the self-infallibilty belief.
I can assure you, Lilacz that I don't have any hidden agenda...the name of the thread invited me to share my experience with Qld police. I have done just that. I could have hoped for a bit of support or interest from you maybe, but no just smart remarks and asperstions of make believe. |
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By: emucorp
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Given how dangerous studies have shown talking on handheld mobiles to be you shouldn't be holding them should you?
There are a myriad of handsfree devices available which responsible members of the general public use.
You did say something early about "taking due care" or similar? |
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I can assure you, Lilacz that I don't have any hidden agenda...>>
I wasn't aiming that comment at you. |
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By: emucorp
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"No one believes that there aren't police who are capable of being corrupt/criminal/negligen t/lazy/incompetent"
It appears ... that some people don't believe in the fallibility of the police ... |
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Given how dangerous studies have shown talking on handheld mobiles to be you shouldn't be holding them should you?
There are a myriad of handsfree devices available which responsible members of the general public use.
You did say something early about "taking due care" or similar?>>
As long as we don't have a prang, then we are 'taking due care'. The police dept is too skint to provide us with handsfree devices, in fact most places don't even provide the cars with a mobile. At the station I work at now, I take my own mobile out on the road with me. As I said before, there are provisions under legislation that give us an exemption. |
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It appears ... that some people don't believe in the fallibility of the police>>
Well they're as stupid as those who say that all police are corrupt etc. |
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| Gotta go and take the dog for a walk. G'night everyone. :) |
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By: emucorp
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That is quite possibly one of the biggest crocks of sh1t I've heard ...
Given that you of all people should KNOW how dangerous handheld mobiles are - given that the law fines and takes 3 demerit points for using them - given that most mobiles come with a handsfree earpiece and that if not a cheap one costs lesss than $25 - you'd rather endanger the public and claim your "exemption" because there's no "budget"?
That's just sick.
Your "exemption" could cost a life - I hope you think it's worth it. |
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"Private property you don't need a licence, don't need the car registered - only thing you can't do is you can't drive p1ssed."
Nice try Lilacz ... the crim in question posted that he'd been driving on country roads - not private property - since the age of six.
Next?
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i don't think you have any experience in the country. so let me fill you in on some things.
yes it was on a property for pleasure purposes, out here if a father caught a kid on the road with out a license we would of been punished, not as nicely as you may think either, but we learnt. a friend did it once at 12, needless to say even though no one else had ever done it for leisure purposes, we never even considered it after that, he coped a hiding right in front of us.
but back on track, properties are often dived by road, and a cattle paddock may of been a km drive down the road, even had to heard them up the road sometimes. this happens everywhere, and its the how you get your food on your plate and the milk in your coffee, so i would mind yourself sir.
and my aspiration to become a police officer was because i have seen one friend hit and killed by a car when i was 15 & been set upon by a gang after a party one night at the age of 17 where i was hospitalized and my friends head jumped on until he was killed.
forgive me for my experiences and an objective to dedicate my life to saving others in a way that i can.. |
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By: emucorp
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Thanks for clarifying why you felt exempt from the law ...
FYI I have a bunch of "experience in the country". I just never broke the law there. You did. |
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