By: tangles33
14/12/2007
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| It starts with forcing us to have flouride in our water and then what. Hey, Vic water is c r a p , we never drank it and we wont drink it up here. We have a water testing kit. You get a cup of tap water and a cup of properly filtered water. Sit the 2 samples together, the water tester has 4 prongs on it, you put 2 prongs in each sample at the same time. When you turn the power on the solids in the water will rise to the surface. In the tap water you get a brown murkey slugde type substance at the top of the water. In the filtered water there is no change. Now, keep in mind that the tap water has changed color and the solids have risen to the surface, now you put a few drops of bleach in and the water is as clear as it was before. This test was done in front of the Water Authority in Hamilton Vic, also at the local schools. The water authority tried a state of denial, the schools put filtered water in all the classrooms. With the test there is no alteration to the water and what you see is what you get. The funny thing is that when the guy from the water authority drank both samples of water he said the tap water was fine, after the test in front of his eyes, he refused to drink the same glass of water. Its not just flouride in the drinking water. |
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By: tonegunman1
15/12/2007
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ausgal are you for real?
Large parts of some countries have big medical problems with natural fluoride which isn't absorbed as readily as the industrial waste chemical vehicle that is used to "optimally" fluoridate, nay pollute our water supplies.
China and India have big probles as do parts of Africa.
It cripples people and is responsible for iodine deficiency leading to cretinism and thyroid dysfunction.
Below an article from the Manchester Guardian.
http://www.nofluoride.com/guardian_india.htm |
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By: tiarali22
15/12/2007
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| What we need to do is clamp down on all the sugary foods being sold as healthy snacks for children. But the government doesn't want to take on the big food companies, so they instead poison our water to try and counter the effects of all this sugar. We wrongly label food, target ads at kids, and then blame parents when their teeth rot. Yes the government should do something, get some guts and target the big food companies. |
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By: mulnut
15/12/2007
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some of you people amuse me. lol
as human beings we have been drinking water straight from the river or stream for a few million yrs. all of a sudden we need water testing kits ect. lmao. get a life.you start filtering out all the impruities of all the water you consume and you start getting kids with no immunities and mineral deficiencies and all that comes with it. i grerw up in NSW and have had flouride in the water for most of my life and have never seen anybody get ill from it and here you are in QLD whinging about it even though you have the worst childhood cavities than most countries in the western world. says a lot eh. |
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By: tangles33
15/12/2007
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What we need to do is clamp down on all the sugary foods being sold as healthy snacks for children. But the government doesn't want to take on the big food companies, so they instead poison our water to try and counter the effects of all this sugar. We wrongly label food, target ads at kids, and then blame parents when their teeth rot. Yes the government should do something, get some guts and target the big food companies.
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This is not exactly right, with all the so called healthy snack bars, fruit straps, cordials, sugary juices etc that people put in their kids lunch boxes, the fast food companies and their so called Healthy Options menu's, no wonder kids teeth are rotting. At the end of the day, it is the parents who buy the food their children. Learn to read labels and buy fresh food. Filter your water and buy less soft drinks, juices and cordials. The government does not force our shopping habits onto us. We have 3 young children and approx 3 times a year they get macca's etc, they don't care, they know it is bad for them. Queensland has a hotter temp than the southern states and instead of people drinking pure water they tend to reach for a sugary drink to quench their thirst. Alcohol is also consumed in Qld more than in the sothern states due to the heat. Alot of alcoholic drinks/mixers contain high sugar. So, by putting flouride in our water, it really won't make any difference, people need to change their habits and stop using the government as an excuse for laziness and poor judgement when shopping. We can ask that the fast food companies comply with a healthier code buy using less fats, sugars etc. Like that will ever happen! If you are worried about your teeth, change your dietry habits!!!!!! |
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By: cassiemla
15/12/2007
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| Why don't the politicians fix the public dental system? Not all can afford private health. I do agree, the availability of junk food doesn't help. Even the "healthier" optons aren't as healthy as they used to be. The dollar bill has taken presidence over health and it has come at a price. |
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By: ecten1
15/12/2007
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well said mulnut!
People here better not eat or drink anything because nearly everything you buy from the shops has something added to it. Hey you better not go outside, because our atmosphere has carbon dixode in it, another poison. |
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By: ol_whal
17/12/2007
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| On Sky news this morning, Uganda's kids have better teeth than ours do and QLD, the only State without fluoridation, has the worst. I would guess they don't get as much junk? food as ours do either. I feel it's the food/drinks that our kids are taking could be the problem. |
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By: nessa_sarily_so
17/12/2007
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Consider this...it takes 6 to 8 months to get into a private dentist in Queensland, let alone a public one.
Perhaps when they start making toothpaste that doesn't taste like cr@p (mint) and burn the little kids mouths they might be more inclined to brush their teeth (really brush not pretend). |
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By: ol_whal
17/12/2007
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| OMG nessa, it was solvol soap on the end of your finger when I was a kid. [I'm older than I look though] |
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By: nessa_sarily_so
17/12/2007
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| Holy heck Ol...you must have had tourettes...or they would have given you charcoal |
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By: tonegunman1
18/12/2007
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Uganda probably has better teeth because it is 100% unfluoridated.
To say Qld teeth are the worst in Australia is to admit you havn't looked at the figures. The figures by the way are also skewed because of the radically different sample sizes (Qld very significantly reduced in 2000 - less than a tenth the NSW sample)and the indigenous component is a lot greater. Any differences are as such well within statistical sample variance.
I could say for example that WA 11 year olds have twice the DMFT rates in permanent dentition as Queenslander 11 year olds and this is easily proved by just looking up the figures bugt that would be as dishonest as those who say that QLD has the worst teeth you can cherry pick the results to prove almost anything.
For the record Tasmanians who have been fluoridated the longest lave the greatest rate of people without any teeth at all.
To lay the blame as was done on the news as being the consumption of bottled water and then in the same sentence say that this is the reason for poorer people having worse teeth - their consumption of bottled water being to blame and those well off having better teeth because of their consumption of tap water in preference is absurd and has no relation too reality. Bottled water is more likely to be consumed by those on higer incomes not lower.
Fluoride may in certain concentrations make enamel harder but this is at the cost of brittleness making it prone to cracking. |
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By: chuckanoo
18/12/2007
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Copied from a packet of Red Seal Natural Toothpaste ( no added Fluoride).
NO ADDED FLUORIDE: Many people get all the fluoride they need from their usual dietary sources (tea, seafood, processed foods, soft drinks, etc.). One of the most common symptoms of excess fluoride is chalky white patches on the teeth giving a "mottled" appearance. Advanced cases show discolouration or even pitting of the enamel. This condition is irreversible.
This toothpaste is made in New Zealand by Red Seal Natural Health Ltd. www.redseal.co.nz and is available from Priceline stores or any good Health Store.
The claims must be true, or they would not be legally able to sell this toothpaste in Australia with the current packaging.
So imagine what drinking this stuff will do to your body! |
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By: chuckanoo
18/12/2007
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Also, it was just Yesterday that the Australian Dental Association (reluctantly)confirmed that it was the eating and drinking habits of children that is causing dental cavities.
How soon before they confirm that Sodium Fluoride in drinking water does not help in reducing dental cavities at all? |
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By: brisvegasfootballplayer
19/12/2007
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In an interview with Dr. Arvid Carlsson, Pharmacologist and Nobel Prize Scientist found on http://www.fluoridealert.org/carlsson-interview.ht ml
Excerpts of Interview with Dr. Arvid Carlsson, October 4, 2005
CONNETT: So, what happened in Sweden. The fluoridation issue was proposed...
CARLSSON: Yes, I think it was up twice... The second time, there was a proposal that the Swedish Parliament should allow addition of fluorine to the water supplies in Sweden and I became rather active as I had been the first time, and I think I was perhaps the one who more than anyone else convinced the Swedish parliament that this was not a good thing. So, it was voted out, this proposal. And that was around 1980. So you can see it's a long time ago. And after that addition of fluorine to water supplies in Sweden has not been an issue anymore. These days nobody talks about it anymore.
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CONNETT: Do you think that your background in pharmacology sort of informed your view of fluoridation as a medical practice?
CARLSSON: Of course. I mean, as I said before, this is against all principles of modern pharmacology. It's really obsolete. No doubt about that. I mean, I think those nations that are using it should feel ashamed of themselves. It's against science.
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CARLSSON: Fluorine has a protecting action against caries, but this is a local effect... If you drink it, you are running the risk of all kinds of toxic actions. And, of course, there are such actions. We have the mottled teeth, which is not a small thing... There is no need, really, to go any further into all these other toxicity problems because I think the mottled teeth is enough. This is something you shouldn't expose citizens to.
CONNETT: In the United States, the dental community says that dental fluorosis is just a cosmetic effect, it's just spots on the teeth. Do you see mottled teeth as a toxic effect of fluoride, or as simply a cosmetic effect?
CALRSSON: Well, it is a toxic effect and a ... |
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By: brisvegasfootballplayer
19/12/2007
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In Replying to Ourgeorge below, I believe class action against the State Government would be the way to go if the State Government does not debate this matter where strong arguments are put on both sides of the equation. It would of benefit to the community if this happens rather than blindly added something into the water supplies without even a debate or anything to the detriment of the community. This matter is of great concern to me. If we are able to stop the Government adding fluoride to our water supplies, we may also be helping the rest of Australia remove it from their water supplies. Adding a filter is no solution as by introducing fluoride into the water supplies, it goes into the food chain and there's not way you can control the amount of fluoride that your body's ingesting.
By: ourgeorge
5/12/2007
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I agree with aussie_astro, maybe a class action seeking the state government to provide a domestic filter to households that don't want this poison in their water supply. We did not ask for it, and we don't want it! |
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By: brisvegasfootballplayer
22/12/2007
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These two links I think you will find very interesting
http://www.fluoridealert.org/fluoride-statement.ht m and http://www.fluoridealert.org/fluoridation.htm
Tell me what you think, cheers whoever read it! |
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By: chuckanoo
22/12/2007
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From http://www.fluoridealert.org/fluoridation.htm
"In summary, we hold that fluoridation is an unreasonable risk." - US ENVIRONMENTAL PROTECTION AGENCY HEADQUARTERS' UNION, 2001.
“Over the past ten years a large body of peer-reviewed science has raised concerns that fluoride may present unreasonable health risks, particularly among children, at levels routinely added to tap water in American cities.” - ENVIRONMENTAL WORKING GROUP, July 2005
"I am quite convinced that water fluoridation, in a not-too-distant future, will be consigned to medical history." - Dr. ARVID CARLSSON, Winner, Nobel Prize for Medicine (2000). |
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By: uglybassman1
23/12/2007
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Have a look at Capt Bighs teeth, if you ever get the chance (she refuses to open her mouth when she speaks). She has terrible teeth, they are black around the gums, twisted and uneven.
Fluoride has been in NSW water supplies for ages...at least two generations and people down there have much better teeth than Qlders!! FACT |
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By: roadkilla68
24/12/2007
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| FLO..URIDE?...The word is FLU..ORIDE!! My god, whats in the water?? |
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By: ol_whal
24/12/2007
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[[Fluoride has been in NSW water supplies for ages]]
Not sure uglybassman1, but I think QLD is the only State without it. |
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By: tonegunman1
24/12/2007
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bassman got any real figures to go with your capitalisation?
Or are you just blowing out your brass? |
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By: chuckanoo
27/12/2007
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Recieved an email from a enquiry about a proposed petition from SELWYN JOHNSTON, INDEPENDENT, POLITICAL ADVOCATE(Cairns - Far North Queensland)
http://www.johnston-independent.com/
A 'draft' petition has been prepared and is currently being checked by a Constitutional barrister before its release via the Internet across Queensland. We believe that we MUST obtain at least 100,000 individual signatures from resident Queenslanders.
A public 'RALLY' is being planned for Tuesday 14 February 2008, the first day that State Parliament sits, commencing at 9.00 am till 12.00 (midday) outside Parliament House in George Street Brisbane. It would be most impressive on our elected politicians if we can gather some 10,000 people at the Rally to voice our joint concerns to those elected to carry out the majority expressed WILL of the people of Queensland. |
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By: gaarf123
30/12/2007
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its an accumulative poison.
too much of it causes 'fluorisis' see link for clear pictures and information. dont be quick to dismiss this information.
http://fluoridealert.org/dental-fluorosis.htm
also, short ABC story
News Story, over 600 (now over 1,200) professionals are urging Congress to stop water fluoridation until Congressional hearings are conducted. They cite new scientific evidence that fluoridation, long promoted to fight tooth decay, is ineffective and has serious health risks.
Signers include a Nobel Prize winner, three members of the prestigious 2006 National Research Council (NRC) panel that reported on fluoride’s toxicology, two officers in the Union representing professionals at EPA headquarters, the President of the International Society of Doctors for the Environment, and hundreds of medical, dental, academic, scientific and environmental professionals, worldwide. (First aired: August 9, 2007).
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-710310036 1281348640&hl=en
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By: uglybassman1
31/12/2007
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| You can tell a Queenslander by his/her teeth...THEY ARE WORSE THAN ANY OTHER AUSTRALIAN!!!!!! |
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