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The Fluoride Deception 1 of 3
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By: chuckanoo
28/11/2008
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The Hamilton Spectator
November 18, 2008
Fluoride a health risk, doctors' group says
By Gideon Forman
Executive Director, Canadian Association of Physicians for the Environment
(See original article)
Re: 'Halton might pull plug on fluoridated water' (Nov. 14)
On behalf of the 3,500 members of the Canadian Association of Physicians for the Environment, I'm writing to support the proposed ban on fluoride in Halton's drinking water.
The decline in caries (cavities) in communities that are fluoridated has been significant -- but so is the decline in communities that are not fluoridated. For example, B.C. drinking water is 95 per cent nonfluoridated, whereas drinking water in Alberta is 75 per cent fluoridated; yet the two provinces have similar rates of caries.
Fluoridation comes with significant risks. Animal studies have shown the chemical is a potential immunotoxin, embryotoxin and neurotoxin. Because fluoridation is unlikely to be the cause of caries decline in North America and because the potential for adverse effects is real, we believe fluoridation of drinking water is scientifically untenable. |
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By: chuckanoo
29/11/2008
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The Star (Toronto)
November 18, 2008
End water fluoridation, professor says
People get enough from toothpaste, he argues
By Joseph Hall
Health Reporter
http://www.thestar.com/article/538700
Back in the 1960s, when the fluoridation of water became widespread, objections to the practice tended to come from the fringes.
It was a communist plot to poison the water supply, came the cry from some quarters.
Today, as municipalities begin to debate fluoridation anew, the arguments against it are more mainstream.
Halton's Health and Social Services Committee recently voted to recommend to the full regional council that Halton stop fluoridating its water.
Added in trace concentrations to the drinking water of some 43 per cent of Canadian municipalities, fluoride has a proven track record of preventing tooth decay.
But today, many experts argue, we no longer need to run fluoride out of our taps.
That's the conclusion University of Toronto dental professor Dr. Hardy Limeback came to long ago, after studying the issue extensively.
Limeback, whose fluoridation stance has caused some consternation in the dental and public health communities, says almost everyone gets enough fluoride from toothpaste and other oral hygiene products.
"Even those people who rely on food banks pick up fluoridated toothpaste for their families," he said in an email interview, adding "fluoridated water is not needed for the poor."
Indeed, Limeback says fluoridated toothpaste, introduced around the same time as the water supplies were being converted, is likely as responsible as tap water for the drop in decay.
As well, experts point out, some advanced countries such as Sweden never fluoridated water supplies, and many European countries are stopping the practice. Tooth decay rates are no higher in Europe than in Canada, Limeback says. |
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By: chuckanoo
29/11/2008
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He also says there are legitimate health concerns associated with fluoridation, mainly related to the potential for over-ingestion.
In infants younger than one year, fluoride may cause dental fluorosis, or the staining of tooth enamel, according to a National Research Council of Canada warning in 2006.
Limeback points to studies linking fluoride to neural damage in infants, leading to lower IQ levels in later life.
If children brush with fluoridated toothpaste twice a day, they don't need another source of fluoride, Limeback says. |
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By: chuckanoo
29/11/2008
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By: chuckanoo
30/11/2008
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"THE first batch of powdered fluoride will be added to southeast Queensland water on Monday, with some residents drinking it by the end of the week."
Under the Bligh Legislation that forces fluoridation on all Queenslanders, while removing any liability from harm, fluoride cannot be injected into water supplies until Monday 1st November, however we believe that in certain
areas, trialing and commissioning of the injectors may have already taken place. This would be a breach of the Legislation if this has occurred.
For those who read this email before midnight Sunday, may we ask for your assistance by asking you to collect a sample of the tap water in your home(particularly if you live near reservoirs on the Gold Coast or North Pine Dam). A small empty,clean commercial plastic water bottle (eg Mt Franklin)filled to the top, dated and then just kept in the fridge would be ideal. If possible, get several family members to witness it being collected, label and get their signatures, date and address on the label.
We are waiting on results of background fluoride testing. If these are significantly elevated above 0.1 parts per million, we may ask to test some samples (collected before midnight tonight) by volunteers.
Forced fluoridation in Queensland may begin, but it is based on a foundation of mistruths, misrepresentations, even falsification of tooth decay data by Queensland Health. Anything built on a rotten foundation will crumble and forced fluoridation is no different. It took 50 years before the harm that asbestos, smoking and lead in petrol causes was publicly exposed, the time is near for fluoridation.
We intend to keep on exposing the harm associated with fluoridation, the lack of effectiveness and that it is unethical mass medication (as admitted in official Qld Govt documentation)
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By: chuckanoo
30/11/2008
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The Courier Mail is very pro-fluoride and has in the past misleadingly reported on fluoridation, eg " London has been fluoridated for 40 yrs" in the same article about a visting British expert who was promoting fluoridation, leading people to think that it is London in Britian that is fluoridated (London, Ontario, Canada is fluoridated, not London in Britian) For what is is worth the Courier Mail has a poll on your opinion at this link, or you find it within the CM article.
http://www.news.com.au/couriermail/poll/1,,3102-50 37088-0,00.html |
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By: chuckanoo
30/11/2008
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It seems that there are still many people (including Anna Bligh) who either don't know or deliberately ignore the fact that:
Our Constitution S51 (XXiiiA) states that no medical procedure shall be conscripted or forced upon us. Water fluoridation is a form of medication; therefore a violation of our right to informed consent of medication.
Ask yourself... Would your local doctor prescribe a medication for-- A patient unseen A medical history unknown Dosage controlled only by thirst With no right of refusal ! Those who want fluoride should buy tablets, not expect those of us who don't want it and know the dangers to just 'suffer it' because you want it. |
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By: binj_inn
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| Still drinking, still smoking, still taking drugs, still polluting the environment with all manner of pesticides and fertilisers. ............ But it's the fluoride making people sick. |
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By: binj_inn
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Please explain then, why Queenslanders have the same life expectancy than people in many of the other states, despite our high incidence of heart disease, lung disease and skin cancer (which is due to alcohol, tobacco, diet and lifestyle, not fluoride in the drinking water).
http://www.abs.gov.au/AUSSTATS/abs@.nsf/featureart iclesbyCatalogue/5D0B63A4CED5187DCA256C8C007DF565? OpenDocument |
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1/12/2008
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"Our Constitution S51 (XXiiiA) states that no medical procedure shall be conscripted or forced upon us. Water fluoridation is a form of medication; therefore a violation of our right to informed consent of medication."
STATES dont give two sh!ts what the constitution says... why ????
BECAUSE NO F(((KER WILL DO ANYTHING ABOUT IT. Everyone is too bl00dy willing to let SOMEONE ELSE make decisions FOR YOU...
etc.. etc.. blah blah |
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1/12/2008
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| Until someone or people etc decide to GET OF YOUR A$$ES and do something about it, you will always and i mean ALWAYS be governed by your inferiors. |
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1/12/2008
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Oh heres the kicker,
People will then b!tch about it some more too the wrong people (ie this board or their friends) and get
NO WHERE!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
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By: chuckanoo
1/12/2008
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Premier Bligh, Health Minister Stephen Robertson, Water Minister Craig Wallace, Chief Health Officer Jeannette Young, CEO of SEQ Water Jon Black and any Council that on-sells fluoridated water to customers.
YOU ARE HEREBY PLACED ON NOTICE
Premier Bligh, Health Minister Robertson, Water Minister Wallace, Chief
Health Officer Jeanette Young, CEO of SEQ Water Jon Black and any Council that on-sells fluoridated water to customers, are negligent in respect, particularly of their duty to act responsibly and not negligently with regard to infants under 12 months of age, by not warning parents that it is inadvisable for infants to consume fluoridated water.
Since Nov 9th 2006, The American Dental Association has given this warning, followed by the CDC Dec 15th, 2006 (one risk outcome, Dental Fluorosis was noted, several other risks are possible, but were not cited). These recommendations resulted from findings of the National Research Council Report of 2006 stating that babies get 3 to 4 times the dose that adults do (this is because of their small size and the amount of liquid they drink).
Queensland Health has dismissed this warning claiming that Australian formula powder is low in fluoride, implying that American Formula is high in fluoride; (from CDC information provided below, Queensland Health's claim is seen to be false). Queensland Health also claim that recent Australian
Research shows no link with Infant formula and Dental Fluorosis (they do not quote the publication however). |
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A search shows the publication that Queensland Health must be referring to is "Changing risk factors for fluorosis among South Australian Children"
Community Dentistry & Oral Epidemiology 2007
This publication, shows many scientific idiocies , for example "formula use" was classified as "Formula ever used rather than regulary used" so that babies who may have had a few supplemental feeds in Hospital at birth, would have been in the same grouping as those who had never been breast feed.
There was no independent assessor; the Author also was the fluorosis assessor.
Analysis of the data in this publication shows that, with all other factors being the same, almost 15 % of children with dental fluorosis appear to have developed fluorosis because of the water added to infant formula NOT BECAUSE
OF THE FORMULA ITSELF (29.5% incidence in fluoridated areas compared to 15.0% in non-fluoridated areas in 2002-2003, the major difference being the type of water added to infant formula). Almost two of out of every hundred
children had marked dental fluorosis. |
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UNLESS THE PROMOTERS AND AGENCIES INVOLVED IMMEDIATELY ADVISE ALL PARENTS OF THE RISK TO INFANTS FROM FLUORIDATED WATER, THE LEGISLATION THAT FORCES FLUORIDATION AND PURPORTS TO REMOVE LIABILTY FROM THE GOVERNMENT WILL BE
RULED INVALID.
THERE IS A CLEAR AND DISTINCT, BREACH OF YOUR DUTY TO THE HUMAN POPULATION YOUR LEGALLY INDEFENSIBLE ACTIONS CAUSE. YOU WOULD BE WELL ADVISED TO IMMEDIATELY DESIST FROM FLUORIDATION. AT LEAST UNTIL YOU HAVE ADEQUATELY WARNED PARENTS AND PROVIDE FREE UNFLUORIDATED WATER FOR THE USE OF THOSE WHO DO NOT CONSENT TO YOU VIOLATING THE INVIOLABILITY OF THEIR BODIES AND THEIR CHILDREN'S BODIES WITH COMPULSORY MEDICATION WITH KNOWN TOXINS.
Message authorised by Merilyn Haines spokesperson Queenslanders For Safe Water, Air and Food Inc www.qawf.org mob 0418 777 112
INFORMATION BELOW SOURCED FROM CENTRE FOR DISEASE CONTROL AND PREVENTION
WEBSITE 28 NOV 2008 (first warning placed 15 Dec 2006) |
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http://www.cdc.gov/fluoridation/safety/infant_form ula.htm
"It now appears that the amount of the fluoride contained in the water used for mixing infant formula may influence a child's risk for developing enamel fluorosis, particularly if the child's sole source of nutrition is from reconstituted infant formula."
Why is there a focus on infant formula as a source of fluoride?
Infant formula manufacturers take steps to assure that infant formula contains low fluoride levels-the products themselves are not the issue. Although formula itself has low amounts of fluoride, when infant formula concentrate is mixed with fluoridated water and used as the primary source
of nutrition, it may introduce fluoride at levels above the amount recommended to minimize the risk for fluorosis. Infants consume little other than breast milk or formula during the first four to six months of life, and
continue to have a high intake of liquids during the entire first year.
Therefore, proportional to body weight, fluoride intake from liquids is generally higher for younger or smaller children than for older children, adolescents, or adults.
Mixing concentrate with fluoridated tap water on an
occasional basis is unlikely to be of much risk. However, when used consistently as the primary source of nutrition over longer periods of the first year, a child may receive enough fluoride to increase his/her chances
of developing very mild or mild fluorosis. |
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By: chuckanoo
1/12/2008
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Hi All,
Our Class Action material is being compiled and nearly completed, ready for presentation to the Minister, as quickly as possible, together with the necessary legal documentation, in such a way that it can not be ignored by State cabinet.
The delivery of this material will be followed, if necessary, by the appropriate Class Action.
See our website, www.peoplesclassaction.or g which has been up for some months.
Donations are being sought, and welcome. Our thanks to those who have already donated, some very generously.
This lateness of the hour has come about due to the failure of certain persons to provide the referenced material they said they had, and promised to send to the barrister, and failed to do so. Obviously, we are not at all impressed with these people. Hence the delay, and the late hour.
This failure of these people to fulfill their promises has forced us to obtain such material from other sources, and I have spent several hours with the barrister this week, in order to get the material ready on time.
If any of you have any further documented, referenced material that you think may be relevant, please email it to us immediately
Many thanks for your support and co-operation.
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By: ecten1
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blah blah blah blah, GET OVER IT.
I've been drinking FLOURIDE water for 32 years. My older brother and sister for even longer. There isn't ANYTHING wrong with it. Man you Queenslanders are a weird bunch. Don't know how to change your time twice a year and wont put something as simple as flouride in water. |
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"I've been drinking FLOURIDE water for 32 years. My older brother and sister for even longer. There isn't ANYTHING wrong with it."
Lots of people including the AMA once thought smoking was safe and the AMA even endorsed brands of smokes. Many people smoke for decades and suffer no overt ill effects. The tabacco industry funded universities and researchers who the vast majority published favourably for smoking - those who found adverse findings were probably looked at as not credible. So smoking must be safe.
Lots of other things thought perfectly fine have been found to be less than safe - asbestos, lead, DDT, etc.
People have lived in sheet asbestos (fibro) houses for many decades so it must be safe.
It is also now acknowleged that there is no safe level for lead (EPA). Yet it is intentionally added to drinking water supplies.
Even if you think fluoride is safe (growing evidence that it is not) and even beneficial (not either) it is not added in a pure form but also has lead, mercury, cadmium, chromium, a r s e n i c, etc.
These are intentionally added because it is cheap, industrial waste that is put into the water rather than pharma grade - which would cost too much.
The Australian NHMRC still do, and sponsor no, Australian studies into any possible advese effects. |
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By: chuckanoo
9/12/2008
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FLUORIDATION STORY TONIGHT TUESDAY 9th DEC CHANNEL 2 TV 7.30 REPORT on at 7.30 pm
Dr John Ryan (Medical Dr) vs NHMRC, also a little from Merilyn Haines
AND
AMAZINGLY THERE IS STILL A POLL ON THE COURIER MAIL WEBSITE PAGE
IF YOU HAVE NOT VOTED YOU STILL CAN .....IF QUICK
juct click on the link, or copy the link into your browser if not active.
http://www.news.com.au/couriermail/poll/1,,3102-50 37088-0,00.html
Poll Results
Thanks for voting, here are the results so far:
It's perfectly safe, and effective 9% (816 votes)
It's highly toxic and shouldn't be used 83% (7528 votes)
Risks are outweighed by the benefits 3% (287 votes)
Benefits are outweighed by the risks 3% (298 votes)
I'm not sure 0% (46 votes)
Sum votes:
Total votes: 8975 votes so far |
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By: feature_effects
9/12/2008
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AIR & WATER
The 2 most essential elements needed for survival, by all. We all have abused these basic needs, poisoning both through our needs and wants and miss guidance.
Our teeth, only need to be cleaned and flossed to be safe from bacteria that causes decay,and bacteria need a acidic enviroment to thrive, eating a diet high in alkaline foods, or alkaline ash, can give a good balance to body PH, and low acidity in body fluids. I used to drink litres of lemonade, because the tap water was not good for me to drink, too much chlorine, with allergy to the chemical. My teeth are fine, i only have fillings from the dentist when i was 10, back then, it was manditory to see the dentist, and get fillings here in AU. i dont think i needed them, but a 10 year old has no say. Sugar has a high acid ash,so a diet that is not that good, say meat pies and fried chips every day, will add to the acid level.
Flouride is not an issue with teeth, hygeine and diet is..
This is about something unseen to most of us, the sheep, with the wool over our heads. Water should be pure, chlorine is there to kill the bugs, but chlorine can disperse with heat, unlike flouride, which is also ionic, can penitrate the skin.
We should be allowed to have the right to decide for our selves what we want in our basic needs, AIR WATER FOOD. We buy from the big stores the ' fast foods, that have been changed to get it on the shelf, but that is our decision, we can go to the market and buy organic for a price. as with water, bottled, but is it also safe from chemicals? Do we really have a say in it all, or are we sheep, |
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By: chuckanoo
9/12/2008
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7.30 Report feedback, if you wished to comment on the Fluoridation story tonight
http://www.abc.net.au/7.30/letters.htm
You may like to place a comment on the ABC website, If you felt that the 7.30 Report was biased in favour of promoting fluoridation, unequal times allocated to promoters and opposed, two Dentists who were given a lot of time, as well as Anna Bligh and the picture of teeth which would be due to baby bottle tooth decay, not "lack" of fluoride.
The way story was introduced and described, the link with Communism and showing film of Bjelke Petersen, even showing the Qld health fluoride promotion advertisement in full, etc
The reporter was well informed on recent evidence that adults in Queensland do not have worse tooth decay than in other states, but he chose not to report on that.
The reporter was also informed that the NHMRC was supposed to look at the effect of fluoridation on people with impaired kidney function for the NHMRC 2007 report, but there was no mention of it in the Report (people with impaired kidney function cannot excrete fluoride as well and will store more fluoride in their bones).
Perhaps you may just like to say that you are very opposed to fluoridation, why you are and that you will remember that at the coming State election.
Please keep comments brief, succinct and limited to a maximum of 100 words (and as soon as possible please)
Please have a say, it can influence the ABC on future stories. The ABC has always been very pro-fluoride, so a little shift has happened.
Many thanks and best wishes
Merilyn Haines www.qawf.org mob 0418 777 112 |
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By: tonegunman1
10/12/2008
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A couple of things about the 7.30 Report.
Peter McCutchen quoted the NHMRC as stating that the NRC report was missleading because the levels were "many times" that used here which is grossly misleading of itself because what was being looked at in the NRC report was the validity of the maximum level used for fluoride in the US of 4ppm. In the transcript they have changed the "many times" to "considerably higher".
Second John Spencer was presented as a "fluoridation expert of the NHMRC". Which is being selective as he also works for Colgate and the University of Adelaide that has a joint venture with Colgate. The NHMRC have also never done any Australian study that has looked at any adverse effect of fluoride on any part of the body other than teeth.
This is also promoted as a health measure when the substance added to fluoridate knowingly contains lead, mercury, cadmium, chromium, etc. |
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12/12/2008
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The Gympie Times
December 12, 2008
Gympie Regional Council says no to fluoride
http://www.gympietimes.com.au/storydisplay.cfm?sto ryid=3792231
FLUORIDATED water is coming and the state government has given Gympie Regional Council until December 31, 2010 to fluoridate Gympie, Rainbow Beach, Tin Can Bay and Cooloola Cove.
Some local councilors are against the move that Premier Anna Bligh says will save the state $1 billion in 30 years for dental costs.
At a Community and Economic Development Committee Meeting on Wednesday councillors voted to write asking the state and Premier Bligh to reconsider the fluoridation of town water supplies.
The motion went on to say instead of fluoridating water the government should ensure there are available supplies of fluoride tablets for those who "wish to be medicated".
The motion was sparked by correspondence from the Friendly Society Pharmacy who said some manufacturing companies had now discontinued the production of fluoride tablets and they would no longer be selling them.
Deputy Mayor and Community and Economic Development Committee chairman Cr Tony Perrett said it seemed odd companies were no longer making the tablets, as people without town water may need them.
Cr Ian Petersen, who moved the motion, said he would prefer to have a choice of drinking fluoridated water.
"I think its wrong, it's compulsory medication," he said.
Cr Petersen said the cost of putting fluoride in drinking water wasn't proportionate to the benefits people would experience.
He said in regards to water usage, the amount of water people drink is only small and a large amount of fluoridated water would be flushed down the toilet or used in the garden.
"What are they going to put in next? I'd be happy to go along with it if we had a referendum," he said.
Cr Jan Watt seconded the motion, saying in the past people in this region had expressed they didn't want fluoride in drinking water. |
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