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ABC News: http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2008/05/13/2243 351.htm
The dean of Indigenous Research and Education at Charles Darwin University is calling for an end to the racist language that she says is being used by governments.
Professor MaryAnn Bin-Sallik says descriptions like 'urban Indigenous', 'traditional Indigenous' and 'persons of Aboriginal descent' are insulting in the extreme.
She says the term 'urban Indigenous' is racist because it is being based on the colour of people's skin.
She says so called 'urban Indigenous' people make up 75 per cent of Australia's indigenous population and says their mixed heritage does not make them any less aboriginal.
She says even Aboriginal people have started identifying with the "toxic labels".
She wants all levels of Australian governments to stop using racist language, and instead describe indigenous Australians as Aborigines or Torres Strait Islanders. |
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By: pol_pak
13/05/2008
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Australian is as far as anyone should need answer the question.
Going further is supporting determination and qualification of civil and or individual rights and responsibilities as result of who your grandparents may have been.
A long way from equality.
This does not obstruct returning of property previously removed - particularly where removed and excused by using denial of equality.
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By: dalone.ranger
13/05/2008
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| This 'Professor' is a bloody idiot. |
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I expect Professor MaryAnn Bin-Sallik has an ulterior motive. Her next revelation may be that she wants an end to calling some people, "persons of Middle Eastern descent."
Political correctness gone crazy. |
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By: pol_pak
14/05/2008
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In a free speech society people should be able to call us whatever they like.
Is when people decide is OK to qualify each of our rights and responsibilities by such name-calling-tags we need be concerned.
Problem is people who still believe being called a name physically hurts them, as opposed to emotionally.
Those hearing name-calling-tags include far to many people assuming such name-calling-tags actually measure our rights, responsibilities and self esteem.
Then we have real problems... similar example is abusive young drunks, whilst most eventually learn is best to ignore such taunts sadly far to much real damage can occur during the learning process. |
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By: pol_pak
14/05/2008
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BTW actually agree with Professor MaryAnn Bin-Sallik in so far as we do need end racist language as being used by governments.
Parliaments and Governments using such language are declaring their belief it is OK to separate families merely on basis of racial determinations, even families of Australians.
Until government stops using racist language such as descriptions like 'urban Indigenous', 'traditional Indigenous' and 'persons of Aboriginal descent' it should be recognized clearly as insulting in the extreme both to the people so labelled, and Australians generally.
Both s.51(xxvi) at time of federation and again with 1967 referenda was Australians saying the Australian Parliament may NOT divide Australians on basis of who grandparents may have been... for we are all to be Australians.
This does not deny recognition of prior losses, nor compensation for such losses.
This does deny continuation of the divisive, racist, practices which caused such losses.
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By: dalone.ranger
14/05/2008
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Lumping urban, brought up in mainstream society, part Aboriginals, who are for all intents and purposes no different than any one else in the street, in the same boat as full blood Aboriginals raised in dysfunctional Aboriginal communities, is absurd. There is absolutely no similarity between the two groups, whatsoever. Apart from the former having a little Aboriginal blood.
Rethink your last drink Pol. Or get out in the real world and check things out. Some part Aboriginals want this so they can further pretend they are the real deal, and climb ever higher on the Aboriginal band wagon. |
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By: pol_pak
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Certainly some want to pretend exists "the real deal" so they can further pretend they are "the real deal" so as to climb ever higher on the "Aboriginal" band wagon.
Problem not so much with opportunists taking opportunities presented to them, rather fault should lay with those who create, support and promote the idea there is a difference.
Only real differences relate to ability of each person to understand wider society, how things function within wider society, and how we all best interact to benefit or reduce risk of our losses.
Common story all around the world !
Only differences are costumes warn, songs sung, and dances danced in order to achieve our common goals.
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By: dalone.ranger
15/05/2008
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Problem not so much with opportunists taking opportunities presented to them, rather fault should lay with those who create, support and promote the idea there is a difference.
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So you think there is no difference between an urban part Aboriginal who was raised in mainstream (white) society, and who has no more knowledge of full blood Aboriginals than his white school mates, and from whom he cannot readily be distinguished apart from, and a full blood who has lived all his life in an Aboriginal community, does not own a pair of shoes, cannot speak English or read it or write it, and who has so little knowledge of the world outside his community that he would not leave it, alone, even if he had somewhere else to go, apart from the next community where he probably has relations.
You clearly show your ignorance of this subject Pol, best to stick with something you have some knowledge of. |
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By: antiviruscosican
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I am a NATIVE of this land. Would never call myself an ozi, backward bunch of hypocritical racist A HOLES!!!!
And you need to get a life BADLY.......
And why is this not racist Bro??
Hipocrite get a life |
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By: pol_pak
16/05/2008
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You clearly show your ignorance of this subject Pol, best to stick with something you have some knowledge of.
Ngayulu : a multi-colored persons ;-)
Once upon a time such talk angered me, however experience or age has taught me anger does not quell stupidity or ignorance.
Pleasure of internet is growth of literacy and public discussion, usually with greater recognition of difference between the substance and the illusion; When discussing issues need base responses upon substantive facts rather than imagined perceptions as to color, sex or other preconceptions about those who write.
BTW many still struggle to classify everyone into subgroups in order to avoid substantive discussion of issues.
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By: dalone.ranger
16/05/2008
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Dear Pol, I don't know where you are from, except that you are not Ozzie born. Perhaps that explains your rambling statements, which are not only difficult to read, but often nonsensical to boot. It may also explain your position on the classification of groups of people, foreign born especially.
However the fact remains, that as far as Aboriginal people are concerned, they cannot all be lumped into the same basket because the ones who are more white than black, are usually, especially in the southern states, raised exactly the same as mainstream white people. And many, in fact, are indistinguishable from the white people they live amongst.
When policy to raise the living standards of Aboriginals living in dysfunctional Aboriginal communities is being prepared, it has nothing at all to do with the mostly white ones living the same lives as the average white person in mainstream Australia. Yet today, they are the ones who benefit the most from the Aboriginal dollar because their education has enabled them to take advantage of these policies. In Australia there are Aboriginals and there are part Aboriginals. There are also part Aboriginals who were born and raised in mainstream society who are no different than their white neighbours. Many of these people still wish to be tagged as Aboriginal, even though many have very little Aboriginal blood. They are correctly called 'urban part Aboriginals', which clearly distinguishes them from their full blood counterparts who live in remote Aboriginal communities.
Incidentally, the full blood mother of my 2 youngest children, calls them, and anyone else similarly disposed, 1/2 colour. Her first language is not English.
And finally, your last sentence is nonsense. |
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By: jukay1966
16/05/2008
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"specially in the southern states, raised exactly the same as mainstream white people"
We may have not been raised in a tribal set up, but, we definitely were not raised 'exactly' the same as mainstream whitefella's.... You seem to think that the northern Murri's had no contact with whitefella's up until very very recently. The fact of the matter is that they have had whitefella's interfering in their lives for bloody yonks, what with the missionaries since back in the 1800's. Thank the ancestors that they managed to hang on to much of the culture ,and return to the homelands after the mission managers left!!!!
The southern states Aborigines have had their lives interfered with, and continue to be mucked with.
You are so backward da bone wan ker - just trying to incite hatred.... you know nothing -your a wannabe know all remember!!!!
I can just picture you : 65 plus old scrubber, washed up and nowhere to go, possibly an ex metho drinker. Why don't you do something constructive with yourself?
I bet if your children read most of the cr*ap that you write on here -they would be very ashamed of you, denegrating their own people. And if they aren't disgusted with you -then you did a great job white-washing them and brain washing them.... (that's supposing that you indeed do have the alleged kids hmmmmmmm? |
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Incidentally, the full blood mother of my 2 youngest children, calls them, and anyone else similarly disposed, 1/2 colour. Her first language is not English.
And finally, your last sentence is nonsense.
Id say dalone ranger has a much better idea about REAL Aboriginals then you do you wannabe and i dont no the bloke but just reading what he has to say makes way more sence then the cr ap you dribble. |
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By: dalone.ranger
16/05/2008
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Reply to Jukay;
For a start, there are no Murri's in the NT. There are full blood Aboriginals aplenty though, as well as quite a lot of part Aboriginals.
There was very little contact with many Aboriginal tribes until the war years. And most remained on their tribal country, and still do to this day. It is only the part Aboriginals which were raised in towns etc that have lost their Aboriginal culture, and it has been replaced with their white culture. Just like yours has.
The southern state Aboriginals have long since integrated into white society, regardless of what some like yourself wish.
As for your description of me, a "65 yr old scrubber, washed up and nowhere to go, possibly an ex metho drinker".
Well Jukay, if that was the case, there are a lot of girls up here who think that's just the ticket. Eat your heart out pal. |
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JUST GOES TO SHOW THE MENTALITY OF H O M O S.OH YEAH I ALREADY ADDRESED THAT IM DIAGNOSED WITH MENTAL ILLNESSES
Proven by the CAPS... |
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By: pol_pak
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"Dear Pol, I don't know where you are from, except that you are not Ozzie born. "
Will confirm was born within mainland Australia, that grew up as a multi-colored person due to spread my relations, family history and neighbors.
Suffering some of them endured retold (not seeking vengance rather knowledge so we avoid same problems) taught me those who seek to qualify rights and or responsibilities with racial tag are the problem, not the solution.
dalone.ranger:
"In Australia there are Aboriginals and there are part Aboriginals."
Racism IS basis of such claims.
Attempting to explain, tr justify, separatist policies, to qualify legal rights and or responsibilities of individuals on basis of who their grandparents were IS racism.
Do you regularly qualify rights, responsibilities, opportunities of your family, your relations, your neighbors on basis of who their grandparents were ?
Admit relationship with some my relations is testy as result their decisions to follow such paths.
Some find statements rambling; Some complain of rambling when path being followed inconveniences their thinking. thinking an issue through disturbing their comfort zone.
May we all ramble occaisionally ;-)
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dalone.ranger
" There was very little contact with many Aboriginal tribes until the war years. And most remained on their tribal country, and still do to this day. "
True, in other areas it was being where few others wanted to go.
Many remain on their tribal country because their are great efforts being made to keep them there.
Simple observation shows people all around the world, in all cultures, seek improvements from outside world to benefit them, with minimal disturbance.
World history shows to obtain such benefits a cost involved.
The wealthy have more choices.
In some communities those in control may see their future, as individuals, depend upon keeping control over others.
Others see our future as individuals depend upon giving others more choices, hoping they chose wisely, so we all get to enjoy the benefits.
Grandkids awake and calling, back later.
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By Pol;
Will confirm was born within mainland Australia, that grew up as a multi-colored person due to spread my relations, family history and neighbors.
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I accept that you were born here Pol, sorry. I came to this conclusion mostly because of the way you use English. I expect your family migrated from Asia. Will await confirmation on that, if you wish.
And I cannot for the life of me see how it is racism to accurately describe a persons background, ethnic mix, etc etc. If I were to say that person is inferior because of that racial background, then there may be a case for racism.
Lumping everyone together definitely suits some, especially those ethnically mixed or part this or part that, however it is far better to accurately describe people, tell it like it is, call a spade a spade. Making rules saying you can't say this or that when accurately describing someone is to me, the height of stupidity. |
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By: pol_pak
18/05/2008
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"And I cannot for the life of me see how it is racism to accurately describe a persons background, ethnic mix, etc etc. If I were to say that person is inferior because of that racial background, then there may be a case for racism. "
pol_pak:
The difference between describing a persons background and qualifying their rights and or responsibilities because of their background is a fine line often crossed in discussion for confusion or quick gain, particularly when not "keeping watch" for it.
Racist events rarely happen suddenly, usually developing as we each allow others to step further past this fine line without reproach.
Well documented example is Germany 1918-1945, less well documented are countless others.
Loss of land rights, human rights, and "Stolen Generation" developed exactly the same way.
Developed same way all around the world !
Each of us, specially who have suffered from racist actions, need constantly look back at our own activities, our own writing, maintain our guard so not see made same mistake again !
Many confuse culture with race, culture is what you learn, race is your inherited biology.
Racial rights advocates use terms "part Aboriginals" , "REAL Aboriginals" for is language of racism, for discussion to support measuring rights for each individual in terms of their racial purity, same way as the N AZ I 's.
Many remember brothers and sisters separated as each deemed differently by racial measures.
Racists offer assistance to individuals on basis of their racial measure, acceptance of same justifies committing of same offense such assistance purports to compensate for...
Such assistance is NOT compensation for wrongful actions committed upon individuals (or ancestors), rather an avoidance by government and legislature of their institutional responsibility for just compensation for damages they and their servants committed.
Another fine line... |
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18/05/2008
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By: dalone.ranger in Reply to Jukay
"...It is only the part Aboriginals which were raised in towns etc that have lost their Aboriginal culture, and it has been replaced with their white culture. Just like yours has. "
Are we to qualify rights by culture measurements ?
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Need we regard ourselves as AustralAsiaNZs ?
Or humans
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" a "65 yr old scrubber, washed up and nowhere to go, possibly an ex metho drinker".....
" if that was the case, there are a lot of girls up here who think that's just the ticket. Eat your heart out pal"......
YEAH RIGHT - dream on OR continue to be in the 'horrors'.......
You need to 'get your hand off it' old boy - I wouldn't touch you with another woman's v a g i n a ...... LOSER - yes I am all Woman -dopey -ya never saw that one coming ay????....... |
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By the female? Ju;
YEAH RIGHT - dream on OR continue to be in the 'horrors'.......
You need to 'get your hand off it' old boy - I wouldn't touch you with another woman's v a g i n a ...... LOSER - yes I am all Woman -dopey -ya never saw that one coming ay????..
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"I wouldn't touch you with another womans v a gin a...LOSER"
Well Ju, I hope you leave other ladies v a gin a' s alone too , they're for us blokes. Incidentally, I just this minute got off the phone from someone with one, who coincidentally, wants to share it with me. So I won't be needing yours, or any you find laying around, thanks anyway.
Although I saw some guys drinking under a tree near the Beachfront Hotel that might be interested. And they'll share their casks with you too. You don't mind roughing it a bit, do you? No, I didn't think so.
But you're right about me never seeing 'that one coming.' I hope it won't stop you from writing in your usual ladylike manner though now that we know. |
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