By: pol_pak
29/03/2009
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Clearly what the Ropes and Co see wrong with giving people leases, is these leases give rights and responsibilities...
The land trusts have refused to accept their responsibilities as the landowners under the ALR(NT).
The land trusts have refused to their responsibility as the landowners under the ALR(NT) to issue their tenants valid leases for their homes.
IF was LJHooker or similar they would be attacked and penalised for refusing A*s leases.
Well it is time the Land Trusts were treated as the landowners for they are the landowners.
Those leases give poeple responsibility and accountability, the ability to demonstrate how they CAN do things for themselves without needing constant nanny treatment from Ropes & Co....
Rights people currently do NOT have yet... we hear the Ropes and Melissa;s of this world cry foul play to oppose the right of A*s to have valid leases for their rented homes....
There are plenty of beneficiary trusts around australia, they have no problem issuing their beneficiaries valid leases for the homes they live in, why do our claimed beneficiary trusts refuse us leases ?
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By: dallone.ranger
29/03/2009
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I would like Ropes to address this issue. Seriously.
Anyway I'm outta here, night all. |
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By: steve_ropa
30/03/2009
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****I would like Ropes to address this issue. Seriously.***
what would be your reaction if a group of people, regardless of race decided to set up camp on your land |
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By: steve_ropa
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| and, who's land was it before the invasion |
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By: pol_pak
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Ropes asks: Who's land was it before the invasion ?
Ropes & Co do know the land is owned today by the same people who owned it long before today, at least for large parts of the NT.
This was recognized by the granting of titles to the land under various acts, just one of which is the ALR(NT).
Problem with Ropes & Co is they toss up their rhetorical answer:
"Who's land was it before the invasion ? "
for the purpose of avoiding admissions they are failing to address serious issues concerning life for families, for children, for aged people, for everyone living in these communities, communities where prior ownership for ages has been recognised.
Ropes and Co do not explain why they work so hard to deny an increase, work so hard to degrade living standards for people living in the homelands ?
Why do they argue for control when they are doing S* F* A* with what they have to improve things - except begging for money...
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By: pol_pak
30/03/2009
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Only invasion we need repel is the invasion of ignorance in company with mismanagement...
Are ignorance and mismanagement being lead, or just defended by Ropes & Co ?
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By: pol_pak
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SkepticLawyer has some good discussion concerning the Intervention generally from a legal issues approach.
See "Indigenous intervention, doing good and racism"
http://skepticlawyer.com.au/2009/02/indigenous-int ervention-doing-good-and-racism/
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By: steve_ropa
30/03/2009
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****Ropes & Co do know the land is owned today by the same people who owned it long before today, at least for large parts of the NT.***
if that were true, then all aboriginal people should have ownership papers issued by the government, but its not. also the misconception that aboriginal people own the land is a white mans view. aboriginal people are, for want of a better word, owned by the land because of their birthright, ceremony, and dreaming.
***Problem with Ropes & Co is they toss up their rhetorical answer:"Who's land was it before the invasion ? "***
its not rhetoric, its fact
you and the lone ranger, as with most non-indigenous people are looking at the problem from the outside, from a white mans perspective and fed "facts" from other white men who call themselves experts on the subject. until you have lived with, and like blackfellas for a number of years, you will never know the struggle against racism and discrimination that aboriginal face every day from the negative and ignorant attitudes of most non-indigenous australians
***Ropes and Co do not explain why they work so hard to deny an increase, work so hard to degrade living standards for people living in the homelands ?***
this statement is not worthy of an answer, it only proves your ignorance. maybe you would be better off disassociating
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By: steve_ropa
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The real world
My mum always has said that I should accept people for who they are and be careful about what I say because it might hurt them, so I am really careful about slang.
In my school we have lots of different types of cultures which is why we are so special, we are all different colours and have different cultures but we all get along. I think I am a better person because of this and am so happy I go to a school were itâs not just about tolerance itâs about friendship and understanding ... you see we aren't racist we really do like each other.
At my birthday dinner I went to Pizza Hut, I could only take four friends and they were all different from New Zealand, Scotland, Pakistan and Australia and we were eating pizza, my other friends are from China, Kenya, Thailand and Bosnia. So you see we don't have to worry about racism because we are friends.
My mum says when we go into the real world we will have to worry about it but I told her this is the real world and if kids can be friends so can everyone else.
Because I go to a public school I get to meet lots of different people but sometimes they have to go away, like Zac he was my Koori friend and he moved to Melbourne. I wrote a few times but we both sort of forgot after that. I bet that if I saw him today we would still be friends, except our bikes would be bigger.
Racists mustn't know what it is like to have friends if they did they wouldn't be racists. I look at my friends I just see my friends, sometimes we fight and sometimes we laugh at each other but we're always friends.
You wouldn't want people to be racist to you so why do people be racist to each other? I don't know, but what I do know if someone hits you itâs a crime, if someone steals from you itâs a crime ... so I think racism should be a crime because you can hurt someone and you steal dignity and love from their life if youâre racist.
So I say Racism no way, because I love my friends and thatâs the mo ... |
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So I say Racism no way, because I love my friends and thatâs the most important thing in my life, a place where we can be friends
Stormi-Lee
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By: steve_ropa
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http://library.thinkquest.org/28172/ropinio2.htm
The opinions of a racist person
Racism and prejudice is widely spread, and is present in all countries or societies around the World. Racism and prejudice is often expressed through distrust or contempt for people who are different from the majority. These differences can be of physical, cultural character, or just based on a different background, such as a foreign nationality. It is a natural reaction for people to be suspicious about the things that are strange to them. Sometimes this suspicion turns into anger, frustration, or fear.
Brought up to be racist?
A child is not born as racist. If the child is not exposed to racism in its environment, there is no reasons for it to become racist. If however, the child has been brought up to look at people as belonging to a group, such as blacks or whites, instead of individuals, it will begin to compare the groups, and draw conclusions depending on the group that they belong to, instead of the way they are as individuals. This way of thinking will always lead to prejudices, because a person cannot be characterized just by skin color or cultural background.
Racism is often caused by fear
Everybody wants to feel safe and secure and to be in control. You lose control when you are confronted with a situation that you donât know, because you donât know exactly how to handle it. This lack of control causes people to be afraid of the unknown. People get scared in the dark because they donât know what might happen to them. The dark makes people feel defenseless from the unknown and makes them imagine terrible things, for no reason at all. It is the same thing that happens to some people when they encounter a person that they donât know, they get scared, and they start to imagine terrible things about him or her.
This can be seen in the way many people look at immigrants. Many people donât like them, because they are afraid that they will "steal" thei ... |
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By: dallone.ranger
30/03/2009
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Another cut and paste job by Ropes, this time from the profound thoughts of a 12 year old.
A child is not born as racist. If the child is not exposed to racism in its environment, there is no reasons for it to become racist. If however, the child has been brought up to look at people as belonging to a group, such as blacks or whites, instead of individuals, it will begin to compare the groups, and draw conclusions depending on the group that they belong to, instead of the way they are as individuals. This way of thinking will always lead to prejudices, because a person cannot be characterized just by skin color or cultural background.
Racism is often caused by fear
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Ropes constantly, at at every opportunity, tells everyone within earshot that all white Australians are racists, except for himself presumably.
Lets see, Ropes lives in an Aboriginal community where harmony and no racism at all is to be found, we know that because Ropes tells us that it is only whites who practice it.
So how are the children there learning racism? Or that they are supposedly subject to racism?
I'll tell you where. Just knock on the door of Mr Ropables house and ask. Actually I expect he does not wait to be asked about it. I'll bet he is very vocal about it and argues his case with semi illiterate children and adults in the community where he works, at every opportunity.
And finally, I would also guess that he concludes each ear bashing with the consoling message that only he, and those like him, can protect/save the inhabitants from these Australia wide racist practices.
Thank god he is there to save them. |
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By: dallone.ranger
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By Pol;
SkepticLawyer has some good discussion concerning the Intervention generally from a legal issues approach.
See "Indigenous intervention, doing good and racism"
http://skepticlawyer.com.au/2009/02/indigenous-int ervention-doing-good-and- racism/
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By: dallone.ranger
30/03/2009
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By our romantic, and back to being an apologist, Ropable;
aboriginal people are, for want of a better word, owned by the land because of their birthright, ceremony, and dreaming.
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What a load of bunkum. Do you really expect me to believe that any person of colour is more connected to their land than someone like myself, who actually went out and bought his own with his hard earned money?
So does that mean that my part Aboriginal children are more connected to my land than I am.
Or does mean that as far as you are concerned urban part Aboriginals are not quite the same as full blood Aboriginals living in their remote communities? Not quite Aboriginals????? |
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***So does that mean that my part Aboriginal children are more connected to my land than I am.***
as far as you having aboriginal children, i say its a bare face lie, and only you know why its a lie.
***What a load of bunkum. Do you really expect me to believe that any person of colour is more connected to their land than someone like myself, who actually went out and bought his own with his hard earned money?***
the land called australia was under the custodianship of the original inhabitants, which was illegally taken away from them. your land, as you put it is not yours but the clans who original lived on it for countless centuries.
the letter from the 12 year old indicates that the youth of today are more tolerant and willing to live in peace with all races. he and others like him put you to shame. its disgraceful that young kids today have to grow up in a world full of hate and racism from the likes of you. |
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| so what's you're fear of aboriginal people |
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| every time i hit on the truth, you get defensive now why is that, lone ranger |
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By: dallone.ranger
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By me;
So does that mean that my part Aboriginal children are more connected to my land than I am.
By Ropes
as far as you having aboriginal children, i say its a bare face lie, and only you know why its a lie.
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Not far from where I am sitting I have the birth certificates of my two youngest part Aboriginal sons, and for that matter I also have the results of their DNA tests. I also have the originals or copies of the birth certificates of another 4 of my adult part Aboriginal children. All these children have my surname, except for the married girls. My name, as well as that of four of my children, is contained in two separate native title claims in the NT.
I would suggest to you that if you dared to repeat, face to face, to my adult sons, what you have said here from behind your computer, you would not be a happy chappy. You would not be a happy chappy if you dared to repeat it to my face.
You claim to know all about me from your friends and acquaintances, ask some of those how they think my first Aboriginal wife, mother of two of my adult children, would react if you repeated that to her face. I can tell you that she knows people in your area, and she will not like to hear what you have said here.
Previously here you have lied about me losing a job because of some interference in a NT election. That was absurd and I treated it as a joke. But I do not treat this accusation as a joke.
Do you understand I have nothing to lose whatsoever here. I am not working and may well never seek a full time job again. In fact I am very close to official retirement age.
You really do not know anything about me, you have gone out on a limb here and made accusations about me which have no foundation whatsoever. You have made a very big mistake this time Ropes.
I invite you to apologise within 24 hours, on this site, for the lies you have stated about me and my family.
It is in your best interest to do so. |
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By: dallone.ranger
30/03/2009
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Let me make myself very clear here. I invite you to retract your statement about my part Aboriginal children, and I invite you to apologise unreservedly for stating it.
Are you stoned again? Unfortunately it is no excuse this time. |
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By: pol_pak
31/03/2009
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Life is mostly a social construct.
So much in life is open to interpretation, discussion, dispute, change gradual, change revolutionary, with changes on occasion as advances and occasionally as retreats.
Beware those who deny discussion found where those who tend to be dictatorial in outlook hide...
Beware most of all those who support racial testing.
Those who support racial testing are those who wish to value all persons, qualify the rights of all persons, qualify the responsibilities of all persons, on the basis of racial testing.
There is no such thing as positive racial discrimination.
Certainly some present this testing to suggest it is helpful, however their aim is not so much to help someone as to ensure their racist ideology survives and prospers.
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By: pol_pak
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UN's declaration of human rights - to which Australia is a signatory.
" Article 2
Everyone is entitled to all the rights and freedoms set forth in this Declaration, without distinction of any kind, such as race, color, sex, language, religion, political or other opinion, national or social origin, birth or other status. "
The words are WITHOUT DISTINCTION OF ANY KIND SUCH AS RACE...
Then again as we are all to well aware, may including politicians squirm around to find ways to do just this...
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every time i hit on the truth, you get defensive now why is that, lone ranger
Unfortunately your idea of the "truth" consists of made up accusations and unsupported drivel. |
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By: dallone.ranger
31/03/2009
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By Ropes;
the letter from the 12 year old indicates that the youth of today are more tolerant and willing to live in peace with all races. he and others like him put you to shame. its disgraceful that young kids today have to grow up in a world full of hate and racism from the likes of you.
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And previously by Ropes in the
"Restarting Multi debate".
i can remember when Cabramatta was a rural area covered in Italian market gardens.
years later the Star Hotel turned into g o o k central
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G O O K central? (you can't even write the word properly here because it's racist) Presumably you think it's OK for you to talk like that on threads up in Top Stories, because up there they do not know that down here you claim to be a champion of those affected by racism.
Talk about hypocrites. |
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By: steve_ropa
31/03/2009
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****I would suggest to you that if you dared to repeat, face to face, to my adult sons, what you have said here from behind your computer, you would not be a happy chappy. You would not be a happy chappy if you dared to repeat it to my face.****
are you making threats of violence?
if you think violence will solve anything, then so be it.
and are you finally owning up to being the lone ranger,
you have denied it from day one. if you are not the lone ranger then what are you worried about
***Previously here you have lied about me losing a job because of some interference in a NT election. That was absurd and I treated it as a joke. But I do not treat this accusation as a joke.***
not my accusation, but those of the nt news and media watch and those who know the facts
as they say, dont shoot the messenger
***It is in your best interest to do so.***
more veiled threats?
i would suggest that if you want to spend your retirement days a free man, YOU retract the lies and threats you have made towards me or you could spend some of your retirement in the free motel at berrimah.
i told you before that i have kept a record of the posts in which you have threatened me. |
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By: steve_ropa
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after some reflection i have decided, FUG YOU
i haven't forgotten the insults you flung at my wife.
you're pretty good at dishing it out, but you cant take it.
so do your worst |
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