By: pol_pak
12/03/2009
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The land is NOT public land, it is privately owned land, land titles held, by large corporations.
IF those title holding corporations want houses to control they can spend their own money.
Or they can take out commercial loans like everyone else.
They then subject to the same tenancy regulations as everyone else - natural or corporate.
IF the title holding corporations want housing for people but do NOT want the responsibility upon them, they need lease land to those prepared to spend the money.
These leasees can house themselves, or lease houses out to others under standard tenancy regulations.
Prospective tenants can negotiate, or agree to, terms and conditions of such leases, or consider appeals to other parties for better leases.
Even public housing tenants have leases.
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By: pol_pak
12/03/2009
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People who can "no more take care of it than they take care of themselves" usually learn when forced to pay for the repairs.
Another great myth is that A* people do not want to live in houses... or is need to give people free houses to live in so they can get addicted to using them...
Even my old time bush relations quite happy to go camping for a few weeks, but still like return to the comforts of their homes.
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By: dallone.ranger
12/03/2009
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People who can "no more take care of it than they take care of themselves" usually learn when forced to pay for the repairs.
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Exactly, if this was in force right across the NT I think the improvements in how people look after their homes would come thick and fast. |
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By: steve_ropa
12/03/2009
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****Public housing just assures that the occupants, who have no real stake it the house as they can be turfed out for different reasons (even though this may seldom happen), will no more take care of it than they take care of themselves.****
spoken like a real racists pig, you just dont have a clue, do you |
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By: dallone.ranger
12/03/2009
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Oh goody, Ropable is back.
In actual fact son I have been in many, many, Aboriginal's homes over the years, in many different communities.
And I do have a clue, I KNOW how they live. The difference between you and me is that I do not pretend, I tell it like it is. Something you pathetic apologists will not do.
Well get used to it 'Bigbunga', or whatever you want to call yourself now, (what a tosser) 'cause I tell it like it is. |
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By: pol_pak
15/03/2009
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Needed a Tasmanian Forestry company to learn logging and sawmilling ?
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By: dallone.ranger
15/03/2009
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| Galarrwuy seems to have that covered. |
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By: steve_ropa
15/03/2009
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*****Oh goody, Ropable is back.
In actual fact son I have been in many, many, Aboriginal's homes over the years, in many different communities.
And I do have a clue, I KNOW how they live. The difference between you and me is that I do not pretend, I tell it like it is. Something you pathetic apologists will not do.
Well get used to it 'Bigbunga', or whatever you want to call yourself now, (what a tosser) 'cause I tell it like it is.****
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By: dallone.ranger
15/03/2009
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By our self named, Bigbunga;
a sophisticated rhetorician, inebriated with the exuberance of his own verbosity
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Seems Bigbunga may have felt a little intimidated recently, not surprising for someone who is flat out putting together a coherent sentence.
I wonder who he is quoting this time? Considering it was only a month or so ago he said;
""people who recycle media news do so to cover the fact that they have never had an original thought""
As far as Ropes/Bigbunga is concerned, original thought is an unknown species. |
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By: pol_pak
16/03/2009
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The land is NOT public land, it is privately owned land, land titles held, by large corporations... many of which fail to exercise their responsibilities as the landowners towards their tenants.
That they are using racist rationales just makes it more deplorable.
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Galarrwuy knows how to trade and his mob knew how to cut down trees {:-O |
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By: dallone.ranger
16/03/2009
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By Pol;
Galarrwuy knows how to trade and his mob knew how to cut down trees
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Galarrwuy was sent down south for his education, and then his years as the chairman of the NLC taught him how to use the system for his and his clans benefit.
As for cutting down trees I'm not so sure. Cutting saplings for didgeridoos and bark for canoes is one thing, cutting down a full grown tree with a stone axe, Australian hardwood, is another story. Until white people brought steel axes and showed them how to chop down a large tree, it would have been such a labour intensive job that I expect it would seldom have happened. |
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By: pol_pak
16/03/2009
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Centralian Advocate
Turning young lives around
Jonathon Howard
13Mar09
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Children as young as 10 are repeatedly committing crimes, drinking alcohol and taking drugs in Central Australia.
Some of their home lives are in a shambles. Their parents are sometimes abusive, and may be excessive users of alcohol or other drugs.
The kids can be seen roaming the streets late at night and criminal or anti-social behaviour often lands them in police custody.
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What was the NT intervention about ?
What has the NT government done ?
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By: dallone.ranger
17/03/2009
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By Pol;
What was the NT intervention about ?
What has the NT government done ?
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I don't think the NT government had a specific role in the Intervention, it is a Federal government initiative. |
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By: dallone.ranger
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Simon Kearney | October 02, 2007
Article from: The Australian
LEADERS from four Northern Territory Aboriginal communities whose residents have stopped receiving half their welfare payments in cash have expressed support for federal government measures in their communities, despite concerns about the way the reforms have been enforced.
About 30 community leaders from the communities of Mutitjulu, Imanpa, Finke, and Titjikala began a two-day meeting yesterday in Erldunda, 200km south of Alice Springs.
A representative from the federal Government's Aboriginal Leadership Program at the meeting, Leo Abbott, said many people had overcome their initial fear about the intervention.
"There were a lot of frightened people," Mr Abbott said.
"We're getting pretty positive feedback now. They're quite happy; they've been waiting a very long time for something tohappen."
Mr Abbott said the intervention's aims of providing better housing, health services and job opportunities were welcomed, particularly as communities were seeing evidence that there was going to be a long-term commitment on the ground.
However, The Australian understands the federal Government's taskforce is also getting feedback that the delivery of the reforms has been too hasty and not flexible enough to meet individual community needs.
Many in the four communities have bridled at the speed at which the changes have taken place and there are concerns that a "one size fits all" approach is being used.
Taskforce commander Major General David Chalmers said most feedback was positive and people should be reassured there would be long-term support.
"The immediate emergency response is to provide the stability and safety which is necessary before longer-term solutions can be effective," he said.
Judy Trigger from Mutitjulu said she had told the meeting that there were still concerns from the women about how much alcohol and marijuana was getting into the communities despite the deplo ... |
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Judy Trigger from Mutitjulu said she had told the meeting that there were still concerns from the women about how much alcohol and marijuana was getting into the communities despite the deployment of extra police.
Mutitjulu has one of the largest police contingents with four officers based in the town, which abuts Uluru. There are additional police a 15-minute drive away at the resort town of Yulara.
The intervention was instigated more than three months ago in response to concerns about widespread child abuse but it has broadened into a comprehensive attempt to tackle social dysfunction, addressing housing, health and employment needs in indigenous communities.
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I'm sure this is not what you wanted to see Pol, but you weren't very explicit. |
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By: pol_pak
18/03/2009
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My irritation is with the NTG, the intervention is largely because the NTG has failed where it was responsible.
So many problems in communities relate to house overcrowding AND failure to educate people properly, these being areas NTG's claimed responsibility for.
NTG responsibility included legal action against landowners (land trusts) - AND the Commonwealth, in relation to the deplorable conditions in housing AND the land trust refusals to issue valid leases to most of their tenants.
NTG needed refuse to issue housing/construction monies without valid leases.
At last talk of doing this, IF they hold out, we may see valid leases issued, real progress commence, and an end to our segregated world...
Eons ago Grants Commission was very concerned with our attempts to obtain leases from Land Trust for our LGA to then construct housing in community; Very concerned under their criteria for funding would soak up most public housing allocation grant for the NT IF obtained the leases.
Land council people prevented the leases being issued to our LGA...
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By: pol_pak
18/03/2009
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Top End indigenous misery matched in city
Natasha Robinson
http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197 ,25203364-5006790,00.html
ABORIGINES are rapidly becoming more disadvantaged in far-flung regions of NSW and in depressed pockets of Sydney's west, where their employment rates, education levels and access to housing are deteriorating at a faster rate than in remote areas in the Top End.
While Kimberley, Cape York, and Northern Territory communities remain the worst in the nation for Aboriginal disadvantage, new research finds that urban areas in western Sydney and towns in central NSW are closing the gap.
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"In terms of relative need, remote Australia is still top priority," Dr Biddle said. "But that aside, there are still parts of Sydney which, in terms of education, employment, income and housing, look more or less like outstations or remote settlements."
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Between 2001 and 2006, Townsville, along with Alice Springs, experienced a large urban drift as indigenous people moved from outlying regions. But while Townsville managed the shift well, Alice Springs did not. Aborigines living in Alice Springs town camps fell sharply behind those living in the mainstream town areas. |
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By: dallone.ranger
18/03/2009
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You have been raising these points for a while now Pol and they are ones which most would be unaware of. Have you tried writing to that august journal, the NT NEWS, and briefly presenting your case, to get it out into the wider community.
Perhaps you could send them a copy of a letter on the subject which you have sent to a pollie, and not received back a satisfactory reply.
Just a thought. |
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By: pol_pak
18/03/2009
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COMMENT:
An issue of difference is how people living in Alice Springs town camps (and communities) do so without valid leases, whereas elsewhere tenants have leases with enforceable rights and responsibilities for tenants and landlords.
Also existing housing standards ignored (decades) by the NTG NOT ensuring maintained were liveable standards with racist excuse they were A* housing.
These houses owned and "rented" out with inadequate actions taken against people who damage these houses AND both landlords amd tenants due failure to maintain basic liveable standards, including public health.
Houses damaged and repaired without recovery action taken to recover these expenditures ?
Gives the wrong message...
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By: dallone.ranger
18/03/2009
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| Agree. |
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By: pol_pak
18/03/2009
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Most not close enough to look and think may be unaware, however not our pollies and administrative people.
When people raised specific cases they given the run around, tossed from politician to politician, department to department, organisation to organisation, authority to anywhere, anywhere else... specially to avoid public discussion...
Mal Brough at least started to address the fundamental problems of "due process", standards, and accountability.
Regular coverage in the Alice Springs News www.alicespringsnews.com. au
Guess this why they do not want to see it distributed...
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By: pol_pak
18/03/2009
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Private bailiffs kept out of communities
NORTHERN TERRITORY: Paul Toohey | March 14, 2009
http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197 ,25183263-5006790,00.html
NORTHERN Territory Aboriginal communities are, on the face of it, open and public places after the federal Government failed to win support from the Senate crossbenches to reinstate a law requiring outsiders to have apermit.
However, Indigenous Affairs Minister Jenny Macklin has by regulation decreed that anyone travelling by road to a community will still need a permit. This has effectively kept the communities shut, except to those who fly in.
But even if a person flies to a community, they still may need a permit. This is because if the airstrip is located some way from town, the visitor may need to travel to the community on roads that require permits.
Commonwealth and Northern Territory government employees are now exempt from the permit requirement, but others -- including journalists -- still need to apply to the relevant regional land councils.
One group whose work has long been affected by permit requirements is that least loved section of society, bailiffs, collection agents and repo men, who at times need to visit communities to serve debt notices or to reclaim goods or vehicles.
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18/03/2009
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Territory bailiffs had reported being refused permits on the basis of their occupation. "It is totally inappropriate for selective issuing of land permits through the land councils according to the applicant's occupation or business, where such business is of a lawful nature. I'm sure the permit system hasn't been created to stop bailiffs. But it's a meaningful barrier," Harries says.
"Any person in any community can borrow money for car loans or other goods and finance companies have a commercial right to recover goods.
"This seems to be an artificial barrier that no other Australian has to protect them."
Harries says court-appointed bailiffs -- who are government employees -- have open access, but private agents do not. He says when applying for permits bailiffs are asked to state who they would visit and why.
Bailiffs are unable to do this because it would be a breach of privacy laws and could see the bailiff prosecuted.
"By keeping bailiffs off communities it may prevent finance companies from wishing to lend money to Aborigines and therefore limit economic advancement on Aboriginal land," says the Country Liberal Party's indigenous policy spokesman Adam Giles.
The Northern Land Council's media office yesterday said it couldn't respond to the inquiry immediately and would take on notice the question of whether bailiffs had been denied entry.
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By: dallone.ranger
18/03/2009
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| Incredible. What next? |
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By: steve_ropa
19/03/2009
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| the lone ranger and pol pak, pontificating for the sake of impressing each other. your opinions will not solve any problems that white society has forced on the indigenous population. armchair experts who only compound the problems that aboriginal people suffer, between the lines racism |
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