By: pol_pak
6/05/2009
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| ...crocodile tears ? |
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By: mdoinit
6/05/2009
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| .... those who would want ignorance to remain. |
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By: pol_pak
6/05/2009
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An interesting read at Ambit Gambit : Junkies are the Scum of the Earth
http://ambit-gambit.nationalforum.com.au/archives/ 003526.html
Ambit Gambit is the first blog established in National Forum's Domain.
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By: dallone.ranger
6/05/2009
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| A sad and disturbing story Pol however I fail to see how it connects with the NT thread. Apart from the fact that one contributor here champions the use of ganja in remote communities. |
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By: mdoinit
7/05/2009
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| So dallone.ranger who should be blamed for that? |
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By: dallone.ranger
7/05/2009
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| Blamed for what Mdoinit? |
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By: mdoinit
8/05/2009
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it's starting to gel why you are dallone.ranger,
"Blamed for what?"
"Apart from the fact that one contributor here champions the use of ganja in remote communities." dallone.ranger |
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By: dallone.ranger
8/05/2009
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What are you talking about Mdoinit?
Please humour me and explain in simple English what point you are trying to make. I still don't get it. |
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By: unidentifiedbloke
8/05/2009
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| Me either, perhaps if we ignore him, he'll go away? |
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By: saturday4th
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| Tried the "ignore" approach with Steve but he keeps coming back like a bad smell. Must be the people he hangs around with. |
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By: pol_pak
8/05/2009
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Blame it on Mental health problem or Behavioral disorder ?
BTW am reading through Ombudsman's two volumes of report
FINAL VOL 1 OMBUDSMAN investigation Medical Services Act 16.pdf
FINAL OMBUDSMAN REPORT VOL 2 - Investigation into the Unjustified use of Restraint etc.pdf
From link www.ombudsman.nt.gov.au
.....select 'publications'
.....select 'public statements'
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By: mdoinit
8/05/2009
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| ... short-term memory loss for inability to maintain discussion, argument meaning.. |
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By: pol_pak
8/05/2009
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[beware my errors in copying]
Medical Services Act Section 4 states that
'mentally disturbed' means behaviour of a person that is so irrational as to justify the person being temporarily detained under this Act;
section 6 states in relation to a mental illness that (1) In this Act, mental illness means a condition that seriously impairs, either temporarily or permanently, the mental functioning of a person in one or more of the areas of thought, mood, volition, perception, orientation or memory and is characterised (a) by the presence of at least one of the following symptoms:
delusions;
hallucinations;
serious disorders of the stream of thought;
serious disorders of thought form;
serious disturbances of mood;
or by sustained or repeated irrational behaviour that may be taken to indicate the presence of at least one of the symptoms referred to in paragraph (a).
Subsection 3 states that a person is NOT to be considered to have a mental illness merely because he or she
(e) is intellectually disabled;
(f) uses alcohol or other drugs;
(g) has a personality disorder or a habit or impulse disorder;
(n) has been treated for mental illness or has been detained in a hospital that provides treatment of mental illness;
(p) has been admitted as an involuntary patient on the grounds of mental disturbance;
or
(q) has acquired brain damage. |
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By: mdoinit
8/05/2009
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| oh keep going pol_pak it sounds very like your like talking dirty... |
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By: pol_pak
8/05/2009
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IF a problem relates to a medical or mental health problem then police need take person to where decisions can be made by the Medical Officers.
IF or Behavioral disorder then police can arrest, and detain and leave it to the court to sort out...
When drugs involved gets complicated...
Is action from a medical or a mind altered reaction ?
IF mind altering is it a temporary delusion, if is long term is it no longer a psychiatric issue, perhaps a mental health issue, or is it just a behavior issue...
Involved with some of these you learn quickly just how cautious some authorities become when trying to determine which way to respond... |
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By: pol_pak
8/05/2009
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By: mdoinit
... short-term memory loss for inability to maintain discussion, argument meaning..
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Experienced this problem result serious head injury fair while back.
After several years of medical and other assistance managed learn ways do things so problem not obvious to casual observers.
Those who know, play it when suits them...
More recent head injury has caused earlier problems to return...
Add general fatigue of age ;-O |
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By: pol_pak
8/05/2009
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Section 15. The criteria for the involuntary admission of a person on the grounds of mental disturbance are that:
(a) the person does not fulfil the criteria for involuntary admission on the grounds of mental illness;
(b) the person's behaviour is, or within the immediately preceding 48 hours has been, so irrational as to lead to the conclusion that:
(i) the person is experiencing or exhibiting a severe impairment of or deviation from his or her customary or everyday ability to reason and function in a socially acceptable and culturally appropriate manner;
and
(ii) the person is behaving in an abnormally aggressive manner or is engaging in seriously irresponsible conduct that justify a determination that the person requires psychiatric assessment, treatment or therapeutic care that is available at an approved treatment facility;
(c) unless the person receives treatment or care at an approved treatment facility, he or she:
(i) is likely to cause imminent harm to himself or herself, to a particular person or to any other person;
(ii) will represent a substantial danger to the general community; or
(iii) is likely to suffer serious mental or physical deterioration;
(d) the person is not capable of giving informed consent to the treatment or care of has unreasonably refused to consent to the treatment or care; and
(e) there is no less restrictive means of ensuring that the person receives the treatment or care. |
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By: pol_pak
8/05/2009
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Consider difficulties just from inability to speak in a language that is understood, then add the different cultural perceptions as to what is acceptable or normal for :
........."irrational"
........."deviation from his or her customary or everyday ability to reason and function"
........."in a socially acceptable and culturally appropriate manner;"
........."an abnormally aggressive manner"
........."not capable of giving informed consent to the treatment"
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By: dallone.ranger
8/05/2009
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There have been cases where people have been detained in a mental health facility for nefarious reasons, although it would not be common in OZ. In the NT, after reading what was said in the NT News both for and against it, I say we leave it to health professionals, this time.
The Ombudsman is wrong this time, in my opinion. |
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By: dallone.ranger
8/05/2009
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I forgot to mention Pol that I don't believe cultural differences should be taken into consideration. That covers violence, whether perceived or real, towards anyone.
One set of laws here for everybody. Just as when we go to another country. |
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By: unidentifiedbloke
8/05/2009
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Don't forget too, that sometimes patients are restrained to prevent them from causing injuries to the medical staff. People with brain injuries aren't always in control of their actions. They may not intend to harm themselves or those around them but sometimes can not help themselves.
I'm sure the medical staff don't take decisions to restrain someone lightly. Perhaps the laws need to be examined or clarified so as to remove any doubts as to what is suitable and what isn't? |
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By: mdoinit
9/05/2009
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| pertaining to all you sarbi have written prior to who then and for what do you BLAME...? |
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By: dallone.ranger
9/05/2009
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| Again, ????????? |
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By: mdoinit
9/05/2009
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well Again, ????????? you may see the Title is 'blame it on ..... ' so who should be blamed for what has been pointed out prior?
or was that just a meaningless rant about tangents and people with cognition troubles..? |
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By: jadecrystalholt
9/05/2009
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| Blame it on Adam & Eve for all our troubles for not listening to the Almighty God in the 1st place........ |
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