By: starsie@ymail.com
2/09/2009
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Fine and how long was it before you recieved notification of your court dates?
I am sure you wouldve contacted legal aid for help.
Also if you were drug free but on methadone, then you shouldve been also given a contact order, to let you know when you could visit your child in a suitable supervised environment.
Also, if you had nowhere suitable to go to take the baby home to.. and you asked for help and a place wasnt available immediate.y are you telling me that they did the wrong thing by placing her somewhere safe??
Can you fill in some blanks if you dont mind as there are bits missing that dont fit to make a complete picture |
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By: letitiajd
2/09/2009
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| You are not the first to say that something doesn't ring true. I wish I could tell you the whole story but it would take up too much time. My mother in law unbeknown to me had made many reports to docs. She has a lot of money aLOT. There was No psychologist. The lawyers I had refused to help me saying I would lose and it was not within 48hrs I had to ring docs 3 days later and say what the hell is happening? When can I see my kids? |
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By: letitiajd
2/09/2009
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By: starsie@ymail.com
2/09/2009
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Sorry to come across as judgemental.Im not
I am just trying to piece together the story so I could understand.
I really do apologise for souding so short with you. My mind is doing a few other things at the same time.
I am so sorry what you are going through. |
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By: mickomega
2/09/2009
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| It's a bit of a joke, on my travels I have met Mayors of their face on drugs, people who you see in these officers, who spend their 100 grand salaries on weed and Ecstasy, and everyone "Pretends' they are the responsible one's, I am becoming too cynical in my old age. |
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By: ahappy67
3/09/2009
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****All was OK until 19 Days later when my wife asked for financial assistance and some legal documents supporting the arrangement before he could go on access visits again. DoCS turned up unannounced to remove our Grandson from our care. When I asked why, they said it was because we were blocking them.*****
Your wife asked for assistance, it's funny how they act when the allocation of funds becomes issues.
Do any of you truly believe our government departments and or even public schools/health are any better off under a Rudd government? |
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By: pol_pak
5/09/2009
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There is supposed to be sufficient evidence supporting their claim of URGENT need to immediately remove children.
Also seen them acting without such evidence.
They will trick people into their agreeing to let DOCs take their children, or the children in their care, so then once DOCs has children can be difficult to get them back.
Their aim may be trick parent/carer into doing what they want.
URGENT applications prevent carer/parents from being aware of what is happening, what DOCs is planning - BTW on occasions this is essential.
In a one sided court room is easier for DOCs to be persuasive to the magistrate/judge for an order.
Whilst DOCs should provide a copy of court order authorizing them to act, in some not common circumstances they may not have it.
DOCs not having order is an issue dealt with later in court concerning whether the removal was lawful.
IF DOCs provides no court order and are no police present, politely refuse to hand children over until Police do attend and verify to you DOCs actions are lawful.
DOCs will call the police, when believe they hold the right to take the children.
Make DOCs wait for the police, let them see the children are OK through security screen or window, while waiting.
When police eventually arrive ask them to confirm DOCs has required legal authority to take the children and ask for an incident reference for your lawyers.
Police will tell you IF DOCs has required legal authority to take them, Police are concerned with legality of actions, not about pleasing DOCs.
Very important to be polite, also very hard. |
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By: pol_pak
5/09/2009
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Docs never turn up completely out of the blue... remember they are public servants who must provide written reasons so their Minister can blame someone lower in the chaotic department when things go wrong.
There may be some instance where a DOCs worker acts without their paperwork, but rare and will be on their knowledge plenty of paperwork exists (likely also on police files) to support them in what they doing. |
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By: letitiajd
6/09/2009
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| I too had my children removed with no court orders. I had no idea they needed one. Is this REALLY TRUE? aLSO DOES ANYONE KNOW OF A DECENT LEGAL AID LAWER? iT HAS BEEN 5 YEARS SINCE MY KIDS WERE TAKEN. The garngmother wont even let me talk to them on the phone. Can I go back to court and fight for more access? |
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By: starsie@ymail.com
6/09/2009
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Of course you can.
You could have done this already. 5 years is a rather long time to wait. |
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By: letitiajd
6/09/2009
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| I did not go to court for about a week after they took my kids. When they took them they told me nothing about what would happen. This was on a Friday afternoon. Ihad to keep ringing and asking what the hell is going on, I did not see the kids again for over a week. At court the solicitor did not tell me why we were there she asked me if I would agree to establishment next hearing she told me there was a 99% chance I would lose and I should just agree with it. She would not tell me why I would lose. Can you agree or disagree to establishment and when should this be held. Most legal aid family lawyers are on Docs side and are just as corrupt and greedy. Please tell me if you know of a good one. |
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By: letitiajd
6/09/2009
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| I have been told there has to be a significant change in circumstances but when I ask Docs for the reasons why they were taken the manager gets very defensive and wont tell me. All she says is I'll send you the documents. Do most people have supervised access or are they allowed to see them on their own and if so for how long? and when etc |
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By: letitiajd
6/09/2009
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| Also only one Docs officer was present to remove the kids. Is this allowed? I thought there had to be two? At least |
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By: starsie@ymail.com
6/09/2009
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Stil this has been 5 years.
I do not believe all lawyers are corrupt. I do believe that you havnt been asking all the right questions.
I think that you could go to the Salvation Army and ask them for some help. They will be able help find you some counselling and through that, help point you to someone who can give you proper legal advice.
If Supervised access at a designated meeting place has been mandated by the court then its able to be up for review every 6-12 months. Given its been 5 years in your case, you would get a 12 monthly review. That means you are able to put forward your thoughts and feelings on things for instance contact and how often etc. You do not have to agree with what DOCS proposes. If you disagree, it goes back to a magistrate to work out instead.
It is a long process but one worth it if you want your children or to see them more. Given we do not know your personal circumstances it makes it hard to get a balanced view of the case.
As for unsupervised visitiation, that is given in alot of Foster care placements. It is determined on a case by case basis and decided upon by the magistrate at the initial court hearing, then up for review every 6-12 months. |
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By: ill_be_back@rocketmail.com
2/10/2009
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I do not believe all lawyers are corrupt.
Probably not, its just that the ones who aren't corrupt aren't practicing law |
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