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By: wolf170_7
9/05/2008
7:02 pm

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As a driver I am irritated regularly by cyclists who break the law. You pass them, and at the first red light they overtake you and run the light forcing you to overtake them again. Why should they believe especially at peak hour on a major road, that the road is their training track. Common sense should say that riding in a bunch (over 2 or 3) is unacceptable. Ok what the driver did was not the best response but I'll bet every driver understands his frustration and anger. Try the training track cyclists and let rego paying drivers keep the road.

By: andyandams
9/05/2008
8:39 pm

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if a car stops in front of you and you hit it are ypu not to blame? even if they stop deliberately?
if a car is at fault here why not a pack of cyclists?
also if they can afford a bike worth $10000 can they not affowerd to pay road tax to use these roads? the revenue would create better roads with more room for these people to use

By: chat_multibillionairebillgates
9/05/2008
8:41 pm

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I think the cyclists should be more careful but I think the car should give way to the cyclists though.

By: ocatarinetabelachucchux
10/05/2008
7:37 am

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I have two points of view about this matter:

As driver I need to say that is not very responsible that cycles are allowed in road of more then 60Km/h.
It is just too dangerous, things can go really bad: a tyre explode, a rock jump when a car pass over it, somebody lost the control of its car, and so on. Now take in consideration road conditions to add new hazards: grease, gaps, rocks, etc.

I forgot the number of times when I past for Southern Cross Drive and I have seen a pack of 20+ cyclists using the left lane and not using the bicycle lane.

We need to understand that we live in a city were roads and interceptions are poorly designed, streets are too narrow, and some times signal are very confusing, add to this trucks that are speeding, L's that are learning, P's which believe they are the king of the road, full licenses which also believes they are the kings, buses everywhere stopping every 1 minute, cars parked everywhere, etc.

As a cyclist I'm really concern about spaces where to ride safe. I do a lot of mountain bike, and during the last six months I needed to deal with closure of areas that I used to ride threatening with very heavy fines. We have huge areas to develop this great sport, but we are not welcome. This means less space for cyclist.

When I ride in streets I try to use low traffic areas avoiding peak hours.

It is just common sense.

By: kireina24
10/05/2008
8:54 am

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there's a section on my way to work every morning.

bike path on the side of the road, bike lane also on the side, they ride sometimes three abreast - up hills with oncoming traffic.

dont these people have jobs to go to. in order to pass them i have to overtake over parralel lines (illegally). and they seem to think i am an a$$hole for honking the horn

By: garyprescot
10/05/2008
9:16 am

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Cyclists should pay some sort of road tax if the bike touches a public road.
Cyclists should use a lot more common sense when riding,
There should be laws against pack riding at certain times in built up areas. I mean That stupid chick on the news said they did nothing wrong, they were riding two abreast on a three lane road which they are apparrently allowed to do? Firstly if it is a three lane road there is a pretty good chance that it would be a very busy road. Two abreast is just downright disrespectful. there definately should be times when pack riding is not permitted like main commuting times. also those recumbant bycicles should be outlawed as you cannot see them and you are not looking for a little flag on a pole when driving,(unless you are 4x4ing in sand dunes)

By: ianheritage
10/05/2008
9:19 am

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I have no problem with well disciplined bike riders - even in big mobs - as long as they obey the road rules! And that is the crux of the whole debate - do cyclists have to obey the road rules? Of course they do...!

Should I feel guilty for knocking a cyclist off his bike when I was half way across a light controlled pedestrian crossing and put up with the tirade of "F" words when I picked him up out of the gutter...?!?

But then I have been a cyclist too --- angelically wearing my helmet and displaying flashing lights and obeying all the road rules --- and yet the number of times motorists came awfully close to making me a statistic is not funny.

I am now a pedestrian - through choice - and still I have to battle cyclists and motorists for right-of-way. Even on public transport you are likely to be trampled over - I shudder when I see a vision impaired person trying the trains with a stick - I go and stand at their shoulder and softly guide them - even if it's not my train.

I am not blowing my own trumpet, just pointing out that a bit of commonsense can go a helluva long way.

By: leeethal2
10/05/2008
11:17 am

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Two abreast is just downright disrespectful.


Maybe, but it's the current law as it stands, in fact it states that a lone cyclist can take up the first third of a two(one way) lane road.... and ALLL of the roads are busy in that area of the city.. Southern Cross drive goes from just outside randwick to the airport.. if that gives you a better picture, and is one of the safer roads to cycle on as it is well tarred, and three lanes in places... not my choice, but you have to think, what other options did these guys have ? Not many.

By: leeethal2
10/05/2008
11:18 am

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With all of the junk in the break down lanes, you would spend the whole time(and your money) repairing your tyres and never get a ride in... that's why cyclists shun them

By: neocon37
10/05/2008
11:49 am

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Perhaps if cyclist actually obeyed the traffic rules, which by law they are required to do, people may have a bit more respect for them, until then they can get stuffed.

By: thecat252000
10/05/2008
1:31 pm

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We got held up thismorning by cyclists - out in the middle of the road slowing us and heaps of people behind and in front of us down.
They get right out in the middle of the road and just go so slow, then at the lights the creep down between the cars and cut in front of those already there - and speed off in front causing them all to wait.
They frustrate me no end.

By: africa615
10/05/2008
2:38 pm

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I too am sick of these cyclists.They are arrogant & don't believe the road rules apply to them.Why should they enjoy the same privileges as a motorist when they don't contribute in the manner of insurance or registration.Who does the motorist make a claim against when the cyclist causes an accident?We, as motorists have no recourse.Keep them off the roads until they become paying road members.They are a pest & do not obey the rules of the road.
Stick to your cycle tracks cyclists & stop hogging the roads that you don't pay to enjoy.

By: leeethal2
10/05/2008
2:40 pm

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Perhaps if cyclist actually obeyed the traffic rules, which by law they are required to do, people may have a bit more respect for them, until then they can get stuffed.



LOLOL ALLL??? You mean me.. I obey the rules, most do, seems to me very few of YOU are aware of what the rules are as pertains to cyclists... even though I have posted them here many times, many people posts still show their ignorance... I tell you what if they annoy you soo much, why not google the rules, and make sure you know what's what, and call the police, Police can and do book cyclists, so learn the rules, report them, and the police will book them, it's not like they can get away... do something about it:)

By: andyandams
10/05/2008
2:46 pm

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there is miles of cycway along the M7 but i have heard friends say it's no good as they have to share with pedestrians. if they don't want to share why should we?

By: andyandams
10/05/2008
2:52 pm

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cycleway i'm not a good typer

By: briiliiant
12/05/2008
11:35 pm

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I own 3 cars and pay road tax on each. On some days I elect to ride my $10,000 bicycle to assist cancer patients survive at a major teaching hospital in Sydney. I reserve the right to ride my bike and leave the car at home even though I pay a road tax etc for not driving the car that day. It is wrong for anyone to say that I do not have the right to ride a bike on that day. It is a question of balance: I am doing something to help the health of the whinger that hates the cyclist. I am making their air cleaner to breathe and even though I ride the bike, I still pay for the car tax on that day when it sits at home.

Furthermore, 99% of all drivers when driving in a one lane road that has a bike lane to the left (with an unbroken white line) will NEVER stop behind a car turning right. Each and every driver that I have seen will ALWAYS illegally enter the bike lane to the left to undertake the right-turning vehicle. The very person that undertakes is the very same person who whinges about the cyclist doing illegal things.

I think it is time that drivers get over their dislike of bicycles. In fact - I hope that the price of fuel shortly goes over $2 to $2.50 per litre mark. I really want to see some whingers and whining drivers who constantly gripe about cyclists to get off the road. Maybe with a price hike in fuel, the ever-expecting driver who thinks that they have some inordinate right to drive a car and use up the worlds oil supply will one day learn that they soon will need to find an alternative mode of transport. If not public transport, then maybe they will one day ride a bicycle and learn of its benefits and the difficulties that each cyclist has in Sydney with the whinging car driver today.

By: bubyshka
13/05/2008
4:30 am

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OH leave the cyclists alone at least they are not emitting a fowl odour, like you car drivers, except when they f**t thats is lol.

By: thecat252000
13/05/2008
10:51 am

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Oh have a sook - i see cyclists all the time out in the MIDDLE OF THE ROAD holding up traffic.

By: t.sargeson
21/05/2008
7:56 am

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I agree mate, who pays? not the cyclist!
I pay insurance,fuel,rego,licen ce,greenslips and many more.
If you want to share the road have some common sense because your a dam pest on the road.

By: owenhewlett
21/05/2008
9:25 am

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Good point
like redlight cameras because they are there to catch cyclists and speed cameras are there to catch cyclists also

Lets also Kill pedestrians who cross when the red man is flashing because they dont pay rego and they slow me down on my drive to work

its about time EVERYONE (cyclists drivers motor bikes scooters etc) start doing the right thing

Also who actually believes all of ther rego or even a good % of it goes to pay for roads, It doesnt
our Taxes pay for roads so even my dear old Nana who doesnt drive still has to pay for the roads

and its not cyclists who slow you down its the million or so other drivers

By: satan.claws_666
21/05/2008
12:40 pm

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Cyclists are allowed to go through red lights you idiots. Have been for years.

By: murphygeorge47
21/05/2008
1:05 pm

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OH leave the cyclists alone at least they are not emitting a fowl odour

They do too, there was one stopped at a footcrossing the other day and he just sat there and farted, foul odor whew, I think he may have inserted a dead ferret.

By: hallacba
21/05/2008
2:17 pm

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cyclists should have ctp insurance so they are protected for liability

By: andie1100
21/05/2008
8:53 pm

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Cyclists should not be on main roads during peak hour especially in large groups.

By: fordsrule351
21/05/2008
10:42 pm

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If there on the roads then follow the road rules..
That also means having enough distance between each other to stop..
If theres a 20 car pile up,they dont all blame the bloke at the front..
If Ben Kersten had his $12000 bike damaged then stiff.
They should allow enough room to stop or thats a bookable offence (tailgating)
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