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All along, June Chandler Schwartz rejected the charges Chandler was making against Jackson -- until a meeting with police in late August 1993. Officers Sicard and Rosibel Ferrufino made a statement that began to change her mind. "[The officers] admitted they only had one boy," says Freeman, who attended the meeting, "but they said, 'We're convinced Michael Jackson molested this boy because he fits the classic profile of a pedophile perfectly.' "
"There's no such thing as a classic profile. They made a completely foolish and illogical error," says Dr. Ralph Underwager, a Minneapolis psychiatrist who has treated pedophiles and victims of incest since 1953. Jackson, he believes, "got nailed" because of "misconceptions like these that have been allowed to parade as fact in an era of hysteria." In truth, as a U.S. Department of Health and Human Services study shows, many child-abuse allegations -- 48 percent of those filed in 1990 -- proved to be unfounded.
"It was just a matter of time before someone like Jackson became a target," says Phillip Resnick. "He's rich, bizarre, hangs around with kids and there is a fragility to him. The atmosphere is such that an accusation must mean it happened." |
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| good on you frenchyjen, I agree with your sentiments. NONE of us know what happened and these poor kids obviously adored their Dad. Ignorance and bigotry abound, as well as obvious immaturity. |
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By: whywhy_huh1
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Jackson's former employees. First, Stella and Philippe Lemarque, Jackson' ex-housekeepers, tried to sell their story to the tabloids with the help of broker Paul Barresi, a former porn star. They asked for as much as half a million dollars but wound up selling an interview to The Globe of Britain for $15,000. The Quindoys, a Filipino couple who had worked at Neverland, followed. When their asking price was $100,000, they said " 'the hand was outside the kid's pants,' " Barresi told a producer of Frontline, a PBS program. "As soon as their price went up to $500,000, the hand went inside the pants. So come on." The L.A. district attorney's office eventually concluded that both couples were useless as witnesses.
Next came the bodyguards. Purporting to take the journalistic high road, Hard Copy's Diane Dimond told Frontline in early November of last year that her program was "pristinely clean on this. We paid no money for this story at all." But two weeks later, as a Hard Copy contract reveals, the show was negotiating a $100,000 payment to five former Jackson security guards who were planning to file a $10 million lawsuit alleging wrongful termination of their jobs.
On December 1, with the deal in place, two of the guards appeared on the program; they had been fired, Dimond told viewers, because "they knew too much about Michael Jackson's strange relationship with young boys." In reality, as their depositions under oath three months later reveal, it was clear they had never actually seen Jackson do anything improper with Chandler's son or any other child: |
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"So you don't know anything about Mr. Jackson and [the boy], do you?" one of Jackson's attorneys asked former security guard Morris Williams under oath.
"All I know is from the sworn documents that other people have sworn to."
"But other than what someone else may have said, you have no firsthand knowledge about Mr. Jackson and [the boy], do you?"
"That's correct."
"Have you spoken to a child who has ever told you that Mr. Jackson did anything improper with the child?"
"No."
When asked by Jackson's attorney where he had gotten his impressions, Williams replied: "Just what I've been hearing in the media and what I've experienced with my own eyes."
"Okay. That's the point. You experienced nothing with your own eyes, did you?"
"That's right, nothing."
(The guards' lawsuit, filed in March 1994, was still pending as this article went to press.)
Note: The case was thrown out of court in July 1995. |
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Next came the maid. On December 15, Hard Copy presented "The Bedroom Maid's Painful Secret." Blanca Francia told Dimond and other reporters that she had seen a naked Jackson taking showers and Jacuzzi baths with young boys. She also told Dimond that she had witnessed her own son in compromising positions with Jackson -- an allegation that the grand juries apparently never found credible.
A copy of Francia's sworn testimony reveals that Hard Copy paid her $20,000, and had Dimond checked out the woman's claims, she would have found them to be false. Under deposition by a Jackson attorney, Francia admitted she had never actually see Jackson shower with anyone nor had she seen him naked with boys in his Jacuzzi. They always had their swimming trunks on, she acknowledged.
The coverage, says Michael Levine, a Jackson press representative, "followed a proctologist's view of the world. Hard Copy was loathsome. The vicious and vile treatment of this man in the media was for selfish reasons. [Even] if you have never bought a Michael Jackson record in your life, you should be very concerned. Society is built on very few pillars. One of them is truth. When you abandon that, it's a slippery slope." |
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| Once news of the suit spread, the wolves began lining up at the door. According to a member of Jackson's legal team, "Feldman got dozens of letters from all kinds of people saying they'd been molested by Jackson. They went through all of them trying to find somebody, and they found zero." |
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| The coverage, says Michael Levine, a Jackson press representative, "followed a proctologist's view of the world. Hard Copy was loathsome. The vicious and vile treatment of this man in the media was for selfish reasons. [Even] if you have never bought a Michael Jackson record in your life, you should be very concerned. Society is built on very few pillars. One of them is truth. When you abandon that, it's a slippery slope." |
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By: winklebarge
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why why..you and peace have been little troopers.Good on you ..little lights shining bright amonst all the darkness of some souls and minds here...you have been making my heart smile this past couple of weeks.:)
The fact that CC agrees with Gibbot(and other off the wall comments) comes as no suprise...having cooked her goose here,and on the NZ boards she is probably at a loss at who to latch on to next...
Not much left of that "christian upbringing" . |
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By: whywhy_huh1
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Continue to wave your lighters over your heads and choke back your tiny sick teenaged tears. Just know you're idolising a predator.
I'm a bit old to be idolising anyone or anything...this is a tribute thread for people who liked Michael Jackson, Gibbot...what don't you get about it?...and your link , what a joke...try mine and you might see the other side ....also, obviously you don't understand what NOT GUILTY means...you are just another one that keeps the rag mags flourishing and lucky you to have a physcopath as your number one ra ra supporter. |
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According to a July 27 entry in the diary kept by Rothman's former colleague, it's clear that Rothman was guiding Chandler in the plan. "Rothman wrote letter to Chandler advising him how to report child abuse without liability to parent," the entry reads. At this point, there still had been made no demands or formal accusations, only veiled assertions that had become intertwined with a fierce custody battle.
On August 4, 1993, however, things became very clear. Chandler and his son met with Jackson and Pellicano in a suite at the Westwood Marquis Hotel. On seeing Jackson, says Pellicano, Chandler gave the singer an affectionate hug (a gesture, some say, that would seem to belie the dentist's suspicions that Jackson had molested his son), then reached into his pocket, pulled out Abrams's letter and began reading passages from it. When Chandler got to the parts about child molestation, the boy, says Pellicano, put his head down and then looked up at Jackson with a surprised expression, as if to say "I didn't say that." As the meeting broke up, Chandler pointed his finger at Jackson, says Pellicano, and warned "I'm going to ruin you." |
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By: aszure4ever
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Hey, Whywhy :))
Good for you for continuing to post in Michaels defence.
Personally, I cannot bear to see all the sicko's writings.....whatever you write about Michael, they will continue hating and hating......it is the only way they have of feeling good about themselves.
I have just engaged the 'collapse' feature here.
Re: Gibbot and his ax that he loves to grind.
Yeah, he loves to grind it.....and, I have experienced his false accusations personally myself.
It taught me a lot about how much spite and loathing some people actually have inside of themselves, and how it gets projected onto other, more vulnerable people.
I am a tad on the bizarre side myself, lol....and, very gentle hearted. Making a perfect target. Perhaps is why I also understand Michael quite easily, and see his purity of unconditional love.....what he was trying to show the world, which wasn't ready for him.
Anyway......people either choose the negative in life, or the loving way.
This topic in particular has opened my eyes to the hearts of more than a few posters here.
In the U.S.A., A citizen is considered innocent until proven guilty in a court of law. PERIOD.
Michael had his debilitating 2 years in court. He was found to be NOT Guilty......in other words, STILL INNOCENT.
The nasty people who still defame him are simply jealous of everything that Michael had, and was- they will never achieve one iota of what Michael achieved, not be loved one iota of how Michael is loved. |
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By: whywhy_huh1
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why why..you and peace have been little troopers.Good on you ..little lights shining bright amonst all the darkness of some souls and minds here...you have been making my heart smile this past couple of weeks.:)
Thankyou Wink....i was brought up to think for myself and never be afraid to be the odd one out if i didn't follow the flow...i don't need to be popular or agree with anyone to score points like some desperate losers.....i've always thought Jackson was framed and it's never added up why two kids out of hundreds accused him....he never had any kind of scandal growing up about improper actions with kids until his appearance started changing...anyway, he's gone now and there will always be the people who have no mind of their own to see the other side...that's their problem....
I'm not posting in this topic anymore...thanks to everyone who had something positive to say....there are some really beautiful posters in the yahoo forums....thank you mods for not deleting the topic and letting it stay up....maybe now it will be a good idea though because the vultures will come back to pick the eyes out of it further....
R.I.P Michael Jackson. |
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By: aszure4ever
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Thanks for responding to my comment. So, if you are really leaving this for the vultures, whywhy, I don't really have much reason to come back to this place either.
I miss Michael terribly......and will grieve elsewhere.
The media really pisses me off, too. Even if they are doing a decent report on MJ, many of them have the name "Jacko" printed in the background. Sighhhhhh. Think I will tape the memorial.....that was great, actually awesome. Michael would have loved it.
I don't talk about the allegations against him cuz I never, ever believed they were true. It is stuff just beneath contempt.
But, Michael needs spokespeople like you, Whywhy, and Peaceleo, where would he be without your voices?
Thanks again, you two. |
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By: aszure4ever
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| Oh, and thanks (sarcasticly) to the poster Nothing, lol. |
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| *Smile while your heart is breaking..... |
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By: whywhy_huh1
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| Aszure, i left you an offline..i'm going overseas tomorrow so today was my last post on this topic...it won't be still around when i get back after the vultures circle it..i'm here for another 15 minutes if you want to chat in im xx |
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By: aszure4ever
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| I don't see any offliners, Whywhy, sorry.....I will try taking my IM off ignore |
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| ok, done. |
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By: chemsworth@xtra.co.nz
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He was cleared Lisa - and the kid admitted bullsh!tting.
Move on |
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By: aszure4ever
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| Oh, she likes to play with the copy and pasting.......obviously the johns are not showing up today much, leave the poor wretch alone. |
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