By: alert_monkey
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Timtam,
how does the Cone Nebular either confirm or deny your claim of experiencing a NDE ? How would the Cone Nebular do this ? How do you reason that this Nebular has anything to do with it at all ?
And Freda, your absolutely right. |
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By: alert_monkey
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| grrr double post :( |
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By: stephen_still_laughing
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"Now... what I would like you to explain, since you are such an expert on logic, is what actually happened to me that night in 1970? How did i manage to go on a journey to a light that no one here had ever seen yet. How was I able to travel the millions of light years and back in such a short span of time?
The only answer i have been able to come up with is that it all took place within my own life - that like co 68's book says, my life and everyone elses is a complete universe. And therefore, I guess we can travel anywhere within, just as we can go anywhere in our imagination. Since the Cone nebular actually exists out there because it has been photgraphed, then does this mean what emu..
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Simple, God gave you a Vision.
Certainly wasn't evolution giving it to you lol. |
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By: alert_monkey
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Simple, God gave you a Vision. >>>>
Uh huh, which one ? I guess you can take your pick
http://ancienthistory.about.com/library/bl/bl_myth _gods_index.htm |
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By: timtam125
4/11/2009
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Because monkey, as I have already explained, it looked just like the light i went to. I do not know if it was or not, but this happened 39 years ago and the memory of what i saw remains as clear as if it happened today. There were no pictures or even any knowledge of what the nebular looked like. When my work mates looked it up in 2003 the report by NASA said that this solar system was born from the Cone Nebula. We all seen this written under the picture in black and whit on the screen. And that is what spun me - I soon figured if this sola system was born from the Cone nebula then that means we all are as well.
Anyway I can see you are very sceptical about it and that's fine - I guess I would be too, just as i am about some of the points that have been made about evolution in these rooms.
The only reason I mentioned this is because some of you sound like you may have some legit science background, which I have not, and I thought someone may come up with some logical ideas about it - i am always searching for clues because it is something that has had an enormous effect on my life ever since. It is like when you look at a light bulb and its image remains in your mind for several seconds after, only this Light I saw has remained clear for over 39 years now, and the closest I have got to identifying it was Nasa's pics and yesterday the James Gilliland you tube someone put in here. His trip to a light when he almost drowned was the closest I have found to mine, except he claims to have had people speak to him - I did not - and his light was more goldeny. |
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By: timtam125
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| And freda - the last thing on my mind when I was struck suddenly by lightning was anything spiritual. I was busy doing other things entirely and i was not religeous and knew stuff all about the universe. So that rules your little contribution out.. No help at all I'm afraid, but a pretty uninventive and common response. I guess you thought someone would think you were cool and funny??? Don't think it worked too well... |
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By: freda.thinker
4/11/2009
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I wasn't addressing anything spiritual and a reference to the Cone Nebula isn't of that nature. Nor was I being funny. I thought I was making a succinct point.
Whether you were fading into unconsciousness or coming out of it, you had something you remembered. Memories are notoriously faulty. You found something that looked like or reminded you of your experience. All sorts of things can look the same from different angles and by whatever the observer notes in what they see. It happens all the time. Ergo, something like seeing the Virgin Mary in a cloud or a knot on a tree. You happened to have some mental image. Your connection to the Cone Nebula doesn't follow.
That your image was intense doesn't change any of the above. Of course, when your consciousness is fading out and little going on it, those things that go on can seem very vivid.
The light people see has been attributed to random firings of neurons in the optic nerve. As there are more neurons near the centre you see a concentrated light, which could indeed look like some starry nebula to you in retrospect.
As to the spirituality of the experience that has been explained as a dying or stressed brain releasing endorphins. These give you that warm, loving feeling.
There is nothing in the above that disparages the subjective significance of your experience anymore than understanding the physics of a rainbow diminishes its majesty and beauty.
You might find it interesting to reflect that you were feeling so sure of the motives behind what I had written and it wasn't the case. You might even apply that to the experience you related. |
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By: djecza
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who cares about the theory of evolution... it may be true, it may not...
BUT HOW DID LIFE BEGIN FROM NOTHING??? thats what I wanna know... |
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By: freda.thinker
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"BUT HOW DID LIFE BEGIN FROM NOTHING??? thats what I wanna know..."
You can find theories on Abiogenesis for that. Unfortunately, you will find no absolute answer. Science isn't about absolute answers. A theory is true as long as it is confirmed by testing the reality it explains and predicts. That's as close as science can come to the truth. |
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By: alert_monkey
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who cares about the theory of evolution... it may be true, it may not...
BUT HOW DID LIFE BEGIN FROM NOTHING??? thats what I wanna know... >>>>>>
Theory of Evolution does not describe how or why life started. Do some reading on Abiogenesis if your interested in how life is postulated to have begun. |
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By: alert_monkey
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| beat me to it Freda ;) |
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By: darkhall67
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| I like the way you think freda. |
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By: timtam125
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<<<<People see Jesus Christ in water stains on walls or in hamburgers.>>>>
Freda thank you for your suggestions. You could be right, who knows at this point. But it is pretty much impossible for anyone to determine how another sees anything with absolute clarity,if you know what I mean.
And its almost as impossible to try and explain something. Regarding the piece you posted earlier and your suggestion that I had misread your intentions. I think many people would have wondered why you mentioned Jesus Christ etc, in relation to what I had posted (I never mentioned seeing anyone) and like me, taken it as some sort of shot. I appologise if I was wrong.
The thing is (and I dont expect you to comprehend this because you are not me and you weren't there) but I have seen plenty of stuff since the 70's on Star trek and so forth. None of that did anything, but the instant I saw this picture something massive switched on inside me that almost jolted me as much as the lightning had that night.
The nasa picture was the real deal alright - many who know me have been hearing me explain the light in detail ever since it happened. Some gave suggestions like yours - others thought drugs were involved (I have never touched them) well I had a puff or two of grass years later when I was in London.
Many of those friends could see the resemblance to what i had been telling them the moment they saw the picture too.
I have no doubt that I went to the Cone nebular that night - no doubt whatsoever. What I do not understand is how did this happen when it is so far away? And i guess that's something that will become apparent in the future. I may have left by then, but I have written about my experience, so others can possibly come to know what happened to me more precisely.
Whatever the case, it has left me without a doubt that the here and now is not anywhere near all there is...
Again thank you for your suggestions. :o) |
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By: alert_monkey
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Because monkey, as I have already explained, it looked just like the light i went to. I do not know if it was or not, but this happened 39 years ago and the memory of what i saw remains as clear as if it happened today. >>>>.
I have no doubt that I went to the Cone nebular that night - no doubt whatsoever. What I do not understand is how did this happen when it is so far away? >>>>
Interesting Timtam, 7 hours 22 minutes. That is the difference between stating it looked like it, but I dont know and I have no doubt whatsoever. They are the sort of inconsistencies that legal practitioners salavate over when presented with them in a court of law. |
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By: timtam125
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Well monkey, since you are so intricate about your findings and sure of yourself, perhaps you and others like you will also admit and understand that a similar set of circumstances are at play in regard to your beliefs in evolution etc. :o)
I am more amused than anything else to be honest. Anyways, lets put the Light to bed and get on with all the other stuff you feel more at home with and please enjoy a pleasant day :o) |
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By: timtam125
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| PS: By the way, I admit I made things much more positive the second time around - 7 hours later - as you have so specifically put it, but did the thought ever cross your mind that this was done deliberately? Well it was, in order to refrain from coming on too heavy and allowing anyone reading the space to come up with some suggestions. If I'd been so definite about it the first round then it would have just been the usual arguments, just like there are with you guys who adamantly declare that evolution is the answer to it all - end of the story! I'm sure you get the gist of what I am trying to say here. :o) |
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By: alert_monkey
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Well monkey, since you are so intricate about your findings and sure of yourself, perhaps you and others like you will also admit and understand that a similar set of circumstances are at play in regard to your beliefs in evolution etc. :o) >>>>
Well No actually, thats the bugg3r about Scientific theory and as opposed to Psuedoscience (or WOO), it can be independently tested and findings verified or discarded. Big difference. |
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By: timtam125
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Nah... not at all monkey. As I just explained in the other topic - scientists have been totally wrong about many things throughout the ages and they can be wrong again. They believed they had equal proof that the cells die after a stroke too...
So nothing is definite. In fact living in this world is like a dream within a dream. For one example to set the rest: We look at something moving and something - in an instant - imagine it is several things causing it, before we actully figure what it is for sure. We do this constantly in relation to all our five senses. Somethines we are so sure about something and then utterly surprised when it turns out to be something else entirely. This is how everything is for all of us in this world - this is how we misconceive what each other is saying, thinking, writing etc. We perceive it in several ways, but usually make our decision on which way is right in accordance with our frame of mind at the moment and the situation around us. The other thing to consider is, everything in and around us is constantly changing.
The only reality is Enlightenment. And we all have a long ways to go to reach that - me thinks. :o) |
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By: reidsays@y7mail.com
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Scientists are bound by the mindsets of those surrounding them (as in Darwin's experiences) and today most definitely by those funding them:(
Whilst the eternal argument continues over the realities of physical evolution v static creation ......many have moved on to the concept of our mind and consciousness evolving..... :P |
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By: alert_monkey
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Nah... not at all monkey. As I just explained in the other topic - scientists have been totally wrong about many things throughout the ages and they can be wrong again.... >>>>>
<< Well No actually, thats the bugg3r about Scientific theory and as opposed to Psuedoscience (or WOO), it can be independently tested and findings verified or discarded. Big difference. >>
So what part of my post did you disagree with ??? That science is testable, reviewable, and logical ? Or that pseudoscience is not any of these ? Why is it that there is no Medicare rebate available if your gullible enough to seek the services of psychic healers Timtam.
And of course there are definites. Prevent a human access to oxygen for long periods delivers you to a very definite outcome. |
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By: timtam125
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I dont know what you are on today monley LOL But from what you've written it must be pretty wild stuff HEHEHE!!!
Oh and when did I ever say I went to faith healers?
Anyway, it's almost the weekend and by the looks of things, yours is raring up to be a beauty! LOLOL cheeky thing you ;O) |
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By: emucorp
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"Why is it that there is no Medicare rebate available if your gullible enough to seek the services of psychic healers"
Medicare? Medicare is your "scientific" yardstick? LMAO |
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By: gizmo_2655
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""Why is it that there is no Medicare rebate available if your gullible enough to seek the services of psychic healers""
Probably for the same reason that there's no Medicare Rebate for 'snakeoil' .....
Neither psychic healing nor snake-oil remedies pass the scientific test...i.e are they reliable and are the results repeatable in a lab.... |
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By: emucorp
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| The Govt recently legislated to disallow rebates for some cataract opps - I'm sure that means that they're unscientific. |
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By: gizmo_2655
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"The Govt recently legislated to disallow rebates for some cataract opps - I'm sure that means that they're unscientific."
Or just simple enough to only require a GP..like the Arthritis injections.. |
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