By: barfltette
5/11/2009
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| What's your opinion on the diplomatic breakdown and the tit for tat expulsions? |
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By: enzednan@xtra.co.nz
5/11/2009
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Is it really a breakdown or just a bit of muscle flexing by Bainirhama (?sp) to try and prove he has got at least the visage of power.
He will still EXPECT help and aid if Fiji suffers a natural disaster like Samoa, and our Govts will probably give it because that is the humanitarian thing to do but this is something which B. is actually holding over our countries and we will be branded if we dont. |
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By: dallone.ranger
6/11/2009
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Can anyone here, or there, explain why all this is happening, the problems in Fiji that is.
I believe it started because of the threat the Indian influence became on native Fijian people.
Anyone have any more details? |
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By: barfltette
6/11/2009
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Dallone, I know the coup by George Speight, about 9 years ago, came about after the election of the first Indo-Fijian Prime Minister.
Beyond that, I don't know much. The tensions between the two dominant ethnic groups in Fiji (indigenous and Indo-Fijian) don't get much, if any coverage these days, to my knowledge. |
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By: dallone.ranger
7/11/2009
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| Yes, it seems to me that the news says everything about Fiji except for why there is trouble. |
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By: fighl
15/11/2009
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i happen to be fijian indian i am assuming to be 8th gen from my dad's side 5th from my mother's.
I often go under the name Kia in other message boards.lol so this is my first time. The situation in fiji is a very complex one some people especially the western media portray it as an issue among the natve fijians and fijian indians, others see it as an intertribal warfare among the two idigenous tribes the polynesian and melanesians, then there is that english consitution that messed up alot of things during the 1970's which led to a huge division among the races and tribes. |
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By: fighl
15/11/2009
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I believe it started because of the threat the Indian influence became on native Fijian people.
Anyone have any more details?
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Most of our ancestors were brought as indentured labourers 130 years ago as despossesed farmers some from different racial,religion and caste backgrounds but most in general from the secluded village areas not all came willingly some were kidnapped especially the women and kids and some were tricked. After they came to fiji they endured alot of brutality under their guidance we weren't the only ones there were also solomons islanders that came b4 us as slaves but since the slavery trade was abolished due to the mistreatment they endured they brought our forefathers under the guise as indentured labourers only to fare no better then the solomon islanders being paid low wages and had to lease land signing a 5 year agreement. When their 5 year contract was done the english refused to ship them back home and also they did not have enough money saved up to buy their way home since most was used to lease land and purchase food that was how we stayed in fiji taking up jobs mostly as farmers and other trades.
There was no racial tension among the natives and fijian indians back in those times according to my great grandmother whose parents were there during the indentured period it was one based on curiosity which later turned too genuine warmth but the english made sure they were always kept divided so they dont have an emotional bond with one another which will get in the way of work by using the divide and conquer rule.
When the english gave the so called independance in the 1970's they made sure no foreigner besides the native fijians were to own land but had to be leased and that when it comes to elections people would be voted on racial election lines where the natives get two votes the rest one. When the english left they chose a polynesian pm to run fiji who did a fabulous job |
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By: fighl
15/11/2009
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| he came from the island of lau that was once ruled by the tongans after his term was done a melanesian pm was elected name Dr Bavadra who had a dream where everone in fiji would be given equal rights his party was a racially mixed one with both natives melanesians and fijian indians. Only to have the polynesian rabuka to kick him out by doing the coup fearing the melanesians would get more dominance then them and did not sit well with the idea where everyone is given equal rights to make a long story short the situation in fiji is a very complex one the more you try to understand the problem the more entangled you are. As for the fijian indian pm he was voted through democracy most of his members were polynesians hated that bloke even though i wanted the other person to win which was rabuka the ex coup leader cause he became a changed man who has learnt his lesson wanted an attempt to make fiji a racially peace loving country. the fijian indian pm had his *** kicked by the melanesian george speight the son of a corrupted business man who kicked alot of polynesians out too. Then there were rumour these coup were funded by america for their own agenda. 1987 they wanted to build a nuclear base but they couldnt cause Dr bavadra had a very anti- nuclear policy in the pacific |
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By: fighl
15/11/2009
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http://www.michaelfield.org/baini2.htm
this will probably explain even though i got most of my fact from the people involved in the coup |
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By: dallone.ranger
15/11/2009
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By: fighl
15/11/2009
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| I aint lillo ;(. I wouldnt say white man the people perpetrating under the english colonial rule just like what the fijian government is doing now |
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By: fighl
15/11/2009
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| i will say much of the tension according when the actual 1987 coup took place |
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By: fighl
15/11/2009
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| there was never an actual government people suported those coups for their own personal agenda not carrying who got hurt |
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By: fighl
15/11/2009
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*careing
http://www.persee.fr/web/revues/home/prescript/art icle/jso_0300-953x_1991_num_92_1_2912
you can read this if you want |
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By: fighl
15/11/2009
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| g2g fiji top to sort some issues there |
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By: dallone.ranger
16/11/2009
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According to your profile you are Lillo.
""i will say much of the tension according when the actual 1987 coup took place""
Anyway, this is how I also recall it at the time, from Field.
Up until 2000 the key political issued in Fiji was the
indigenous Fijian concern behind the rising power of the Indo-Fijians who, in 1966, had reached just over 51 percent of the population. An Indian dominated government came to power in 1987, leading to the first of two coups mounted by the number three in the Fiji military at the time, Sitiveni Rabuka.
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So it seems that the Fijians were very worried about the dominance of Indian politicians. As I suggested. |
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By: fighl
16/11/2009
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| what profile? the grassroots were friendly but it was merely the government using the race card and using a stuffed up constitution to cause more chaos |
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By: fighl
16/11/2009
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| name was meant to be lolita only to have lillo typed sorry about that |
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By: fighl
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| we did outnumber the natives unintentionally at one stage cause during the indentured period 40,000 men and kids died from small pox leaving a greater popultion of women |
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By: fighl
16/11/2009
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| i find it strange cause the male ratio was higher then the women when our people first came |
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By: fighl
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| i wouldnt exactly say dominated but there was more of them then the actual natives |
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By: fighl
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| in the political cabinet |
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By: fighl
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| when dr bavadra was elected it was his choice to have alot of fijian indians in the political power i think it was to give more emphasis on the different racial backgorunds as well as having more importance of them. |
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By: fighl
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| if all the native fijians were worried why on earth were they voted through democracy as in the political parties elected? They have 2 elected votes that are accounted for and have more say |
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By: dallone.ranger
16/11/2009
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Ok, Lolita;
"when dr bavadra was elected it was his choice to have alot of fijian indians in the political power i think it was to give more emphasis on the different racial backgorunds as well as having more importance of them."
I think that statement says it all. They did not want power going to those who are not real Fijians. |
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