By: fate_kat_late
12/05/2008
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okay so after eggtown i hated kate even more than i did before becuase she is rasing aaron. my mum told me not to jump to conclusions before we find out what happened to claire. well after tonights episode i have jumped to these conclusions.
1. claire is so totally not dead when aaron leaves the island. if she was then ghost charlie wouldnt be so concerned about warning jack telling him his is not suppose to raise aaron. i mean if claire was dead what where they suppose to do leave aaron onhte island by himself.
2. kate uses aaron for her own needs. although there is no proof of this and is just pure theory i think that Kate ulitmately got put incharged of aaron so she could have leverage when times comes for her to face her charges. its not logical to give aaron to kate she is fugative facing criminal charges.
and through out eggtown she mentions that she cant go to jail to her lawyer becuase she has a son and when the lawyers are discussing probation she uses the fact she has a son to convice the prosecuter that she wont leave the state.
3. Kate is ridden with denial and actually belives aaron is hers. everytime we have seen futre kate playing mum for future aaron you have a sense that she is jsut playing one big game of house. but when she says to jack that she doesnt want him around her son (or something to that affect) did anyone else get a fire+water dejavu feeling where claire tells charlie that she doesnt want him around her son. well i did and you can see the shock on kates face when jack says she isnt even realted to him. i think that at that moment we see how far kate is taking her charade and i dont like it.
to conclude kate completley stole aaron aned that aint good coz now he is gonna have an awful amercian accent. (no offense to anyone who has an american accent) |
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By: scgarfield57
12/05/2008
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I think you are wrong. Kate refused to use aaron as leverage during the court case, she just states it after the sentence was given. I think sawyer gives aaron to kate to take off the island when he stays behind for whatever reason. She just takes nervous care of aaron because of the circumstances in which he was given to her.
Its hard to comment on claires dead or alive status as now shes with her father who is alive possibly via the island or jacob. |
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By: pgdownload
12/05/2008
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Concur that Kate's actions towards Aaron seem very up front and benign. She seems to have 'adopted' him completely.
As for Claire - I can't shake how she 'survived' her house being blown up by a rocket. She walks out with a scratch on the head? Somethings definitely going on with that IMO. Esp. as soon afterwards she's now talking to her Dad.
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By: lost.plague
12/05/2008
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This post seems to be more accusation due to personal opinion rather than evidence. In reply:
1. Though it isn't certain, Claire seems to be dead in fact. I posted my theory in another post but I'll repeat. Claire could not have survived a rocket explosion, and come out with barely any damage. The reason we still see her, is due to Sawyer, Locke, and Miles. Sawyer has taken the protective role over Claire. His connection with her, and his sincerity towards her, means he is able to envision her after her death. Locke has also a connection with Claire (we need to consider how Claire allowed Locke to supervise/play with baby Aaron in previous seasons). Finally, Miles is able to see her for obvious reasons. The fact that he is all of a sudden more interested in her is perhaps because he witnesses that Sawyer and Locke do not know she isn't, and he may be observing their behaviours. Later in 4X10, Aaron is alone in the jungle, and (as stated by someone in another thread; can't remember who said it) Claire is very overprotective, and she would not leave her baby.
2 & 3. I agree with the previous post.
Also, of course Kate would be shocked about Jack saying that she isn't related. It's simply insulting, and rude. He is making himself look more important by reminding her of his blood connection. |
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By: lost.plague
12/05/2008
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By this:
"This post seems to be more accusation due to personal opinion rather than evidence."
I meant the original post in this thread. |
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By: bobbydjohn
12/05/2008
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| we dont know for sure at this point if jack even knows that aaron is his nephew. kate always calling aaron her son must grate on jack because he knows that she is not, yet the oceanic 6 must hold to the lies they told when they were rescued and i think one of those lies was that kate was the mother of aaron, yet how that could work i dont know. i hope they explain this before season 4 ends. |
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By: desmonds_eye
12/05/2008
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jack is more important, kate isnt even related.
jack is the one who is blood related, therefore he should have control. |
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By: fate_kat_late
12/05/2008
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i relise that kate did mention that she didnt want aaron involved in her trial but she still uses him to prove that she is not going anywhere also jsut becuase during eggtown she may not want to use him doesnt mean island kate didnt take aaron as a get out of jail free pass. also some one said i cant remember who but it was a good point
"Claire could not have survived a rocket explosion, and come out with barely any damage." i thought about that but my thoughts is that claire is alive jacob saved her during the explosion (its not out of his powers) becuase he needs her for more important things. she said she wasnt seeing things anymore and we never saw these visions they could of been of her father who was trying to communicate with her she could of been blocking them forceing jacob/christian to take her. the producers have been saying that claire is gonna get a big storyline. |
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By: scgarfield57
13/05/2008
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| Its a very good point she probably is dead and I think she can only appear like walt or christian. Aaron is still alive somehow and I think we will see either sawyer or locke look after him. I really dont think kate stole him, I think she had to take him off the island for his saftey. |
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By: davismatthew12
13/05/2008
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**Not posting a spoiler**
The next episode will unveil more about claire. If you dont mind looking at the actual recap, go to:
http://abc.go.com/primetime/lost/index?pn=recap
Anyways, good ideas but next episode will explain more. |
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By: scgarfield57
13/05/2008
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| Yeah its a great ep, ive seen it but ive been told off by other people for talking bout it. i just dont understand why a true lost fan wouldnt go to the effort of watching it before it airs in aus??! As we are only 1 week behind! |
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By: pgdownload
14/05/2008
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[wouldnt go to the effort of watching it before it airs in aus]Its called patience :o) These days most things are about instant gratification and I'd argue that Lost is actually the antithesis of this approach. You have to spend time and effort and patience and watch the story unveil itself. Other people can go watch Big Brother.
Got nothing about downloading eps (do it for quite a few series) but for the sake of a week I'd rather watch it in great PQ on my big screen without the ads all for zero effort at all.
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By: scgarfield57
15/05/2008
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What are you trying to exactly say Peter? Are you saying that to be a true fan in the essence of the show I have to have patience? You almost sound like you think im not qualified or worthy of watching lost and should only get pleasure in watching Big Brother. Do you think a child prodigy should progress through the education system at the rate of a regular student so they can appreciate having an education? Why watch something tomorrow when you can watch it today?
You pretty much contradict yourself by saying you download other shows. Oh, dont you have patience either Peter?
Im all about instant gratification, if I didnt get it from lost I wouldnt bother watching. I like to go to lostpedia and other forums most days, and not have to hide from spoliers.
Oh... and I watch it in wide screen hd with full 5.1 sound and its effortless too.
Lastly ive got better things to do on a Thursday night besides watching Trinny and waiting for lost to start. By downloading it I can also protest the time change in my own way without being a geek about it. |
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By: pgdownload
15/05/2008
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Well, you did say you didn't understand why Lost fans didn't download the show. And your response to my attempt at one explanation would seem to suggest you still don't.
Put simply watching via download isn't 'effortless'. You need to get a computer sorted, organise an ADSL connections (and pay for them each month), learn how to download torrents (and source them), handle possible file conversion and fake/damaged downloads. Then look to set all this in some semi automatic form. After that you're either constrained to watching in your study on your PC monitor, or look to setup all the connectivity (and associated cost) to a TV in the living room.
You've done all this and are presumably comfortable with your setup now, but it was by no means 'effortless'. Most people I'd suggest, are content to wait a week and get the show completely free, at high quality on the device and room of their choosing.
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By: loocy_lastik
15/05/2008
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Actually, I don't think thats how Peter meant it...
I love Lost, but don't download. I also love Christmas, but don't open my presents till 25th December. Sometimes the wait is all part of the excitement. Some people just like surprises. There is nothing wrong with diversity, each to their own.
If you like to download, good for you, if someone else doesn't, thats also fine.
But i am curious, why would you "not bother watching" Lost unless you could get "instant gratification"? Does that mean you'd stop watching if you were forced to watch it on TV?
That seems a little strange for you to say....I mean, for a "true fan".... |
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By: fate_kat_late
16/05/2008
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| i watch lost when it airs in the us and hten i watch it again. if you think about it if you watch it via downloading between each epsidoe your still waiting the same amount of time. so there really inst any differance between either of you. |
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By: scgarfield57
16/05/2008
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It just came across as a little condescending to me, esp when you go saying things like "go watch Big Brother." I hate that show if you can even call it a show.
Christmas is an event set aside for one particular day of the year and I dont think its really an appropriate comparison. I love surprises just like everyone else, but I really dont think the surprise would be anymore exciting if I waited the extra week. Im all about diversity, the world would be a boring place without it.
Instead of saying true fan I should have said addict. Im addicted to lost in every sence of the word and the idea of waiting an extra week to watch it with ads at 10.30pm is crazy to me. As for gratification, If I didnt get it from watching lost I would stop all together. Period.
Another main reason for downloading is to have the episodes for myself to watch again and again at my choosing. I know I could record it but this way you get 2 birds with one stone so to speak.
As for Peter making it sound like a complicated hassle to download ,is pure madness (no disrespect intended). If you are on this forum or have an email address id say you're 3/4 there in the skills/knowledge department. If it were so hard to do, ringtones and video games wouldnt be the biggest profit makers in the entertainment industry. As soon as most people figure out that most cell phones these days, can store and play mp3s and also use them as ringtones that market will die too. But hmm heres the kicker... Sales wont totally die as there are the "instant gratification" people who Peter talks about who either simply want it instantly or cant/wont spend the time doing it themselves. Im not one of them.
As for it not being quicker. Its possible to be watching the new us ep less than 2 hours after its finished aired. I saw ep 12 two hours ago. Its good! |
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By: scgarfield57
20/05/2008
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| Hmmm, so now 7 are splitting the 2hr final into 2 eps. How does that sit with all you antidownloaders? |
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By: lost_lover_for_ever
31/05/2008
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how did this convo about jack kate n aaron turn into a convo about watching the episodes before it airs??
so im going to go back to the original conversation....
i believe that kate took aaron off the island for his safety. we dont actally know why the O6 decided to lie about wat really happened but i think they all decided that kate should look after aaron as her son cos at that momment they didnt know jack and aaron were related. so quit dissing kate saying she 'stole' aaron and that shes an unfit mother because all that shes been though before during and after the island, shes doing a pretty good job of taking care of him and keeping everything a secret.
just kate jack and aaron be happy....yay! =] |
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By: pgdownload
2/06/2008
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IMO Kate has Arron for purely logical reasons. The baby is taken off the island because obviously at some point a few losties have the opportunity to leave and of course the "women and children first" principle kicks in.
For some reason yet to be explained the Oceanic 6 all lie about the fact they are the only survivors. The only way to account for the baby (given this lie) is to say it was Kate's.
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By: bobbydjohn
6/06/2008
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| they could have said that claire survived the crash then died in childbirth or something, she was 8 months pregnant when they crashed. to pass aaron off as 5 weeks old was risky and why no one challenged that, really puzzles me. |
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By: lost_lover_for_ever
14/06/2008
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p.s i thought they shouldve showed younger baby for aaron....suposedly aarons 5 weeks old but the baby on screen was like 6/7 months old...
if not that, cos i understand y it would be hard to find young infants, make aarons age older |
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14/06/2008
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p.s i thought they shouldve showed a younger baby for aaron....suposedly aarons 5 weeks old but the baby on screen was like 6/7 months old...
if not that, cos i understand y it would be hard to find young infants, make aarons age older |
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By: tanderfan24
14/06/2008
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| yes She is. |
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By: lost_lover_for_ever
22/06/2008
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| pi..ss off not shes not |
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