By: iwantjack
4/06/2009
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I have been watching Lost repeats on 111 Hits on Fox and just finished watching Season 3, Ep 13, The Man From Tallahassee. This is the one where we see how Locke ended up in the wheelchair. What made me sit up was the conversation Locke had with Ben. Ben was asking how soon he could walk after the plane crashed, Locke saying it was immediate, then he tells Ben he is going to blow up the submarine, his reasons being:
LOCKE: Because you're cheating! You and your people, communicate with the outside world whenever you want to, you... you come and go as you please... you use electricity and running water and guns... You're a hypocrite! A pharisee. You don't deserve to be on this island. If you had any idea what this place really was... you wouldn't be putting chicken in your refrigerator!
BEN: You've been here 80 days, John; I've been here my entire life! So how is it that you think you know this island better than I do?
LOCKE: Because you're in the wheelchair, and I'm not.
Is this really Locke???? I know it seems really far fetched, but did Locke die after the plane crash and has been the DSG (dark shirt guy) all along? Would this even make any sense? Don't forget that Christian Shepherd was there from the word go, even though he was dead - does this mean anything?
Locke did know an awful lot about the island, he also could hunt, and was very sure of himself, not like the Locke off the island. There was also that very similar scene in the Pilot Episode of him with the orange peel in his mouth, and the scene when we saw him this season on the Hydra Island after he "came back to life". Are they trying to tell us something.
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By: devaberiel7
4/06/2009
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Yes I watched that too. Even before his fall out the window he was a deadbeat and very unsure of himself. On the island he was completely different, a knife throwing hunter/gatherer and wannabe leader.
He was the only person to see a white smokey, not black. We never saw a flashback about that, maybe Jacob came to speak to his nemesis??? Or was it a lie?
Every time he got stabbed/shot/beaten - he healed. Remember his broken leg? That didn't take long to heal.
But remember when he went to the cabin to meet Jacob (really DSG/smokey) he seemed really agitated and nervous when he was talking to Christian. And also they have met and talked on other occasions as well. It's possible that maybe he only gets possessed sometimes, like when DSG wants him to do something to his (DSG) advantage.
Also if DSG can only take over dead bodies, where was Locke's body all that time? Locke's dead body came back on Arija |
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By: taxford@y7mail.com
4/06/2009
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Well, in the season 5 finale, where Ilana's group show Richard the real body of John Locke, there are two Locke's walking around (or one walking, the other lying dead in the sand). But when 815 crashes, there is only one Locke walking around. If the DSG did take the form of Locke, then there would also be a body of Locke at the crash site.
And when he comes back, he seems changed, he knows everything about the Island, saying things like 'I have a purpose now' and 'the Island told me' and begins leading Ben and knows things that even Ben doesn't know.
And using Locke's body seems to be DSG's 'loophole', in that Locke had to die off Island on order to take his form.
But on the other hand, he knows everything that the real Locke would know, about what happened to him off Island, about the Nigerian plane that he found and everything else. And he also went out of his way to get Richard to help a bullet-wounded time-travelling real Locke...so it is possible I guess. |
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By: iwantjack
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About the dead bodies - the body of Christian Shepherd has never been seen actually dead - it was only an empty coffin. So we don't know that there should definatly be a dead body.
Also, what about when Locke first went to the cabin with Ben, something definately happened that was not good, this never happened to Ben - he admitted that.
Another thing I found interesting on the Long Live Locke website - do you remember when Juliette killed one of the others, just after Jack had done surgery on Ben, there was a funeral for the guy and they set his body alight and sent it off on a raft in the ocean - do they know that dead bodies can be "taken over" on the island, and that is why they don't bury their own, they burn them???? |
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By: devaberiel7
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| Oooohhh that's right, never thought of that. Something else to think about. |
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By: crazygirl@y7mail.com
4/06/2009
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| maybe but that would mean that LOST is in a true Time Loop which would be annoying as a end to the series would only bring you back to the beggining but anyways that a interesting idea. Plus Christian was also in a coffin and being taken via plane but on the island hes walking around which leads me to belive he is dead but theres something that represesnts him living and is This new locke smokey as smokey can manifest people from peoples memories (which just leaves me with a 1000 new questions) |
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By: taxford@y7mail.com
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| True, but if Christian's body disappeared, how come Locke's didn't? And if DSG is the smoke monster and has taken the appearance of Locke, what about all those encounters Locke had with the smoke monster pre-316 crash? |
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By: stephanie_h11
4/06/2009
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| hmmm... i think that the smoke monster might be jacob's enemy (whatever his name is :P) after he died, kind of like an experiment gone wrong sort of thing, and that smokey has taken up locke's body. which would explain why when ben and 'locke' were trying to summon smokey (after the plane crash) smokey didn't come... and also why we only see alex when 'locke' wasn't there. smokey could have been using ben that entire time, just posing as different people to blackmail him... if that makes sense. :P |
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By: devaberiel7
5/06/2009
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| Smokey is most definately Locke, our real Locke is nothing like this one, this one is callous and brutal, he manipulated Ben into killing Jacob because he could not do it himself. |
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By: iluvshanelle3
5/06/2009
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| I think the guy who took the form of Locke is the smoke monster.It seems to make sense(at least to me)when you have a think.At the beginning of part 1 of the finale he was wearing black and Jacob was wearing white,when Ben went to be judged by the monster Fake Locke disappeared before the monster appeared, it also seems overly convienient that "Alex" told Ben to do exactly as Locke says otherwise she'd kill him, if Ben had decided not to kill Jacob i think fake Locke would have been pretty upset,then after Ben's meeting with "Alex" and after the smoke monster disappeares "Locke" reappeares,this may also explain why in the season 1 finale the monster tried to drag Locke in a hole,knowing the only way to kill Jacob was by becoming Locke,also when Locke saw the monster for the first time he said he saw a very white light,could this had been Jacobs enemy,or was the white light Jacob?. |
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By: jess815
5/06/2009
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"Is this really Locke????"
Of course it is. He'd had it with Ben's manipulating so he gave him a piece of his mind. If Ben was the almighty oracle he likes to say he is, why did he get sick etc etc
It's weird you chose this conversation to use as evidence Locke might not have been Locke the whole time. You'd be better using all the times he predicted it was going to rain or any of his weirdness in the first few episodes of season one. That conversation in TMFT is nothing important any more, except it proves that Ben never was special as he found out in The Incident. |
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By: hummer11147
6/06/2009
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| Why did locke look so suprised to find that jacob live at the foot statue. ? surely he would have known that |
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By: circus.animal6
8/06/2009
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| He looked surprised because if he didn't, Richard would probably get suspicious and try to prevent him getting to Jacob. |
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By: cardea@ymail.com
25/06/2009
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Rememeber when locke first saw jacob in the shack, he could hardly be seen and he said "help me" yet jacob seems rather real and not so invisable. And why is Jacob SOOO nice to everyone but really mean to ben.
And yeah the black smoke is always taking over dead ppl on the island, like Mr. Ekos (sp) brother, Alex |
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By: chan11@y7mail.com
25/06/2009
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| I think maybe they (Richard and the hostiles) did know that DSG could take over dead bodies because part of the truce the dharma group had with the hostiles was they had to give up the bodies of the dead and since it appears Richard works for Jacob, maybe he told him. My other theory on Locke is, what if when they crashed on 815, maybe that was actually after the bomb was set off in the '70s and they were back to the start and maybe Locke is the only one who has memories of what has happened but doesn't realise his knowledge/faith in the island is because it's already happened. Does that makes sense? what im saying is, what if from the very first ep we have actually been watching the aftermath of the bomb in the '70s when they go back to the start |
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By: imwilliams70
26/06/2009
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| Here's a way-out idea (don't know if I really believe it - just playing devil's advocate here) - what if the Jacob that Locke saw in the cabin was the DSG pretending to be Jacob? It seems that he can take on many forms, including those who were dead before he 'met' them on the island (e.g. Christian, maybe even Yemi), so maybe he was pretending to be Jacob and the reason he couldn't be seen perfectly was because of the ash. And remember Ben didn't see him, so maybe he can choose to whom he is visible (like some of the other visions there have been, e.g. Dave). And maybe he can take on the forms of people who are still alive on the island, so that sometimes we're looking at the real person, and sometimes it's DSG pretending to be them. I seem to remember seeing something along those lines a few years back on the net, or maybe in the special features on one of the DVDs, that maybe we're not always seeing the person we think we are. |
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By: iwantjack
29/06/2009
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| I also think the "person" Locke saw/heard in the cabin was DSG, I think he was somehow locked in the cabin to keep him there, probably against his will. Another reason I think this is because when Ilana and Bram found the cabin they saw that the ash circle had been broken and therefore whoever was there got out. |
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