By: bindi_1986
25/05/2008
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| i don't think richard is time travelling coz then he only has the span of a few years in which he looks the same age to go and do all these things and appear in these places, he would be very busy for that time period and then what does he do for the rest of his life? plus why then would he reject locke when he was really young and then try again when he was a teenager and seemingly change his mind. why would his mind change if only a small period of time had passed for him, would circumstances have really changed so dramatically in a short time, i think it is more likely that he is ageless and in that time he was proven wrong. also if he could time travel back to any time, wouldn't he wait until now, once locke has presented himself as the leader of the island and then use that knowledge to go back in time to visit locke earlier to make him an even better leader in the present, and if he was doing this why would he reject him when he was younger, he could just go back in time and fix this mistake and accept him. no i think he just doesn't age and this is why he makes mistakes and changes his mind. |
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By: lost.plague
30/05/2008
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Parts of that theory sound a bit silly.
Circumstances do change dramatically in short times. Especially considering that Locke was in a pivotal points of development. Alpert first visited Locke to see if he was ready - Locke sailed the test; he was not ready. Alpert tries again once Locke has matured, and learnt more about the world/himself.
Alpert trying to make Locke a better leader? I mean Alpert is helping the island, but he isn't going to try to teach a small kid how to 'rule'. And also, he found someone else: Ben.
Can we get more theories on whether Alpert is of the past, present, or future? We've had enough about time travel, let alone Locke.
The initial point of this thread was to discover which time period Richard Alpert is actually from.
Ideas...? |
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By: lost.plague
30/05/2008
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| FAILED* not sailed. lol. |
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By: lost_lover_for_ever
31/05/2008
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| i think past....i think that when richard first met ben when ben was a kid; that was the 'real' richard.....somehow |
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By: kareem5211
6/06/2008
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my mum had theory that it may be his father and grandfather in flashbacks...?
otherwise maybe ageless- since we saw him talking to young Ben- but why isnt he leader??? |
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By: takingbackjustin
6/06/2008
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| No its the same person, Richard Alpert |
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By: adel_jones71
6/06/2008
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| I think Rich is like Highlander... |
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By: davhasphotos
6/06/2008
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Richard is Enoch. The egyptian pharoah that never ages.
hint:black eye liner, backgammon,hyroglifics near the donkey wheel |
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By: kellymilicevic
6/06/2008
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Hold on, unless you are talking about a different Enoch, the only Enoch I'm aware of was the son of Cain (and subsequent father of Methuselah). Enoch "walked with God" and, when he was 365 years old he "was no more, because God took him away". Allegedly, he was the only man who did not die to go to heaven. I don't think Richard is this Enoch. However, it is interesting as to the number of biblical names being used in the show - John, James, Benjamin, Jack (derivative of John) etc.
I'm convinced there is a good vs evil struggle going on here - but I'm not sure which side is which. The demonisation of Widmore has been shown through a pretty one-sided story. What if he is the good guy and all the bad stuff (such as Nadia's death) was a set-up by Ben and friends to get people on-side.
Does anyone else think there is great significance to Locke noticing that the video started playing backwards when Ben was loading the "time portal" (for want of a better term)? What if Locke, being special and smart, goes on to work out how to reverse time, not just move it forward? If he leaves these instructions for the others, he can risk dying because they can reverse time and bring him back. |
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By: cookz86
6/06/2008
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i like ur theory kelly. makes sense.
also though i reckon richard is ageless though. we not its not his father n grandfather because in the past he has identified himself as richard alpert.
time travel was a big issue in loast though but i believe with richard it isnt time travel, he is ageless. and it is possible he could b enoch (the egyptian king qwho was ageless). this could also explain the 4 toed statue. |
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By: cookz86
6/06/2008
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| does anyone think the island may be atlantis? bit far fetched but still a possiblity true? |
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By: cate_bl58
6/06/2008
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ok the names aren't just biblical.
Locke, Bentham and Rousseau were philosophers.
Locke developed the Social Contract Theory, criticised the theory of divine right of kings and advocated both human rights and limited government.
Bentham was a social reformer and his views were democratic, hedonistic and utilitarian (ie sacrifice the few for the good of the many).
Rousseau said that culture and the progress of knowledge was responsible for making governments so powerful that they crush individual liberty. He held that humans are naturally good but are corrupted by society - "Man is born free but is everywhere in chains".
Keep these philosophers (and their views) in mind when considering the Lost characters of the same namesake... |
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By: lost_in_lost@y7mail.com
6/06/2008
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It depends on how long the island has been moving. And whether it moves in space or in space/time. We have no cluse from Ben as to where/when he was moving it. The islands capabilities to move seem to have been part of the time/space experiments referred to. But then again maybe the island was chosen as the location for the experiments because it had the capabilities to warp time and or space prior to Dharmas arrival.
Its also odd Ben saying whoever moves the island never comes back? Given all he knows if he was shifted to another place he would surely be able to find the island again. But then again maybe the island wont allow him back. The way it is spoken of is almost as if it has a sentience all its own. The island itself is a character in the show.
Given that the 6 must all return to the island now it must exist in our time somewhere, but the question is will the other survivors still be on it? |
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By: lost_in_lost@y7mail.com
6/06/2008
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| All the names were chosen to reflect on aspects of the characters personality, whether from history or literature (I consider the Bible as literature). Sawyer is yet another example. |
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By: cate_bl58
6/06/2008
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i'm not saying not to consider the bible. everything is relevant i think!
all i'm saying is that you need to consider everything that the creators may have drawn inspiration from. and those historical figures obviously played a part. |
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By: sarsword
6/06/2008
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| mmm. also on the whole time/space travel thing...it mentioned in the clue write up for this week that there might be a link between when ben reappeared (in the same jacket, with fresh cut on arm -hint,hint) and WHEN the island was moved to. in a nutshell, what if the island reappeared to 10 months later???given locke can visit people in the 'real' world now as well... |
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By: sa_raines
1/07/2008
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| Ummm...do you even watch Lost. Ben specifically mentioned "Time traveling bunnies." It's not out there. It's factual. |
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By: lost.plague
11/07/2008
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Seriously, HE IS NOT AGELESS.
It's time travel, there's overwhelming evidence.
NOW LETS FOCUS ON THE POINT OF THIS THREAD!
Instead of jabbering on about time travel.
IS ALPERT OF PAST OR PRESENT OR FUTURE? |
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By: takingbackjustin
11/07/2008
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I still feel that Richard simply does not age the same as normal people. Yes we have seen 'time travelling' in the show, but as far as people go, the only type of time travelling is through a person's conciousness. So since Richard physical appearence is the same in the 1950's as it is in 2004, it seems that he is not time travelling.
The island has healing properties, these properties have a different effect on diiffernt people. The more connected they are to the island, the faster and greater they heal. So in Richard's case, he is obviously deeply connected to the island, he may even be indigenous to the island. This may mean that the island does not allow him to age.
The line that Ben spoke to Richard, "You do remember birthdays don't you?". This line makes more sense if richard does not age, rather than time travelling. It also makes more sense that Richard is not affected by time. With the 4 toed statue, the ruins, the temple and the frozen donkey wheel all seemingly connected, and with a cultural anthrapologist on the island, it seems that the island is was/is the home to a very ancient society. My guess is that Richard was once a member of the islands original inhabitants. |
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By: circus_animal6
8/08/2008
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Contrary to popular belief, Ben's question to Richard about birthdays supports the time travel argument, not the non-ageing one. If Richard doesn't age, then either he was never born and would have no birthdays to remember, or he was born in his current state, which, apart from being extremely painful for his mother, would mean he still has birthdays.
Frequent time travel, however, would render chronological milestones meaningless and would make it practically impossible to calculate Richard's actual age. So the time travel argument seems to make more sense. |
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