By: ljv42
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Okay, so in the Orchid we have a "transporter" which will work for organic objects.
So Ben has to move the island, and he starts putting inorganic/metallic objects in the transporter. That apparently creates problems for the transporter (explosion) which then allows Ben to get through it to get to the wheel to move the island.
I don't get why he had to cause this explosion to get to the entrance to the wheel. It seems strange. The Dharma foundation had lots of sophisticated strategies - why this very unsophisticated one?
Also, doesn't the transporter explosion mean that there is no "second chance" to move the island again?
And if the island has been moved before, and indications are that it has, how was it done? Does the transporter repair itself? |
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By: cassandrasanders43
6/06/2008
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| maybe..... the transporter, had to be blown up because it was the only way to get to the ice cave thing, and the other time the island moved was when good ol desmond was working in the underground thing with mr echo and charlie, and again there was some sort of metal jazz goin on.,its all just a mystery! |
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By: jess815
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Someone's an idiot.
It was the frozen wheel that moved the island, not the time travelling machine.
Obviously, Ben was told to move the island and didn't care what happened to the time travel machine. Duh. |
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By: takingbackjustin
6/06/2008
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| The orchid was dharmas way of utilising some of the islands power. The reason Ben blew up the 'vault', was to get into the ice box below it. The wheel that he turned has nothing to do with dharma, its from the time of the four-toed statue, or even earlier. |
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By: davhasphotos
6/06/2008
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| Don't call people idiots. You are missing the point. If the island was moved before that means the vault had to be damaged or destroyed before. How is this possible? |
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By: takingbackjustin
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| They could done a pit of tiling in there. Or maybe it was 'moved' before the dharma days. I think that Charles Widmore was the last person to move it. |
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By: sluceaus
6/06/2008
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I agree in not referring to people as idiots.
Would one possibility be that there are other parts of the island that could also act as time conduits? Given that you access this part of the island that generates the kasimir effect by going underground to where the negative dark matter is, its possible you could dig a tunnel to it. We've seen the hatch as one access portal, and the Orchid as another. Lets not assume the island has only one access route to its e.m source. Cheers. |
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By: takingbackjustin
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| I guess that when the island 'moved' last, it was called the 'incident' by the dharma folk. |
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By: kate_luvz_u@y7mail.com
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| Yeah the island has moved b4, tho it cood of happened when people worked there. (b4 the gas) Sum people may have done it in secret and then rebuilt the transporter thingummybobsuruncle to cover it up from Whidmore! WOAH! Lost rush! I started off with the idea that it was a secret, and after that it went straight from the idea resepter thingummybobsuruncle in your brains to the computer screen! I had to read it to find out what i had said! |
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By: rogerkristen007
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I CAN MAKE CARAMEL POPCORN
Also, Ben said it was a measure of last resort. This could mean that the last thing they would do to save the island is go down to the ice cave by destroying the transporter in the Orchid. It isn't very convenient destroying this seemingly important device, but its the only option left to uphold the no. 1 priority - protecting the island.
Then again, (and this is what i think) he could have just meant that moving the island was very risky, as it could land somewhere inconvenient that could expose it or damage it etc.
I just felt like throwing something into the discussion. :P |
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By: davhasphotos
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| I think Ben was also saying it was a last resort because he knew he could never come back and he didn't want to leave |
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By: ljv42
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Thanks guys :)
Some good answers here.
I think the theory about this being just one conduit may be correct ... and maybe getting to the wheel by blowing up the transporter was clumsy and unfortunate, but the only way to get to it from the Orchid.
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By: jess815
9/06/2008
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Who said the island's been moved before?
And who said there was only one way to do it? |
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By: takingbackjustin
10/06/2008
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Well its pretty obvious that the island has moved before. Ben knew exactly how to do it, he knew that whoever did it would be 'banished', he knew that it was unpredictible and dangerous, he did not seem surprised that he was transported to Tunisia 10 months in the future.
I think that is the only practical way to 'move' the island, the wheel seems to serve that purpose alone.
But the last time the island moved was when Desmond turned the fail-safe key. |
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By: lostoguz
10/06/2008
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So did I missed that or anybody mentioned skeleton of the polar bear in the middle of the desert by Charlotte? Incident/Polar Bear/ Icy Cave/the one who moves the Island can never come back/ Benjamin Linus moves the Island / He fell into Desert
By the way Im new in this forum, my english is not that well. Please ignore my grammar mistake. |
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By: cookz86
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| lostoguz.... i think u jus brought up a good point.... is it possible that the dharma group had trained polar bears to be their slaves and did an experiment where they got the polar bear to turn the wheel hence the bear was banished. could the bear actually be jacob is the question? |
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By: taxford@y7mail.com
10/06/2008
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I agree that it is too much of a coincidence that Ben turns the wheel and ends up in a similar location as the polar bear skeleton but do we know that Dharma knew of the wheel and its power? They did build the Orchid station next to it but there doesn't seem to be any access point to it other than blowing up the time machine. If they were able to use another entrance or built the station after the 'incident', there is still the question of how they got a polar bear all the way down into the Orchid or through another station and through the icy shaft that Ben had to crawl through and operate a half exposed wheel in such a small room.
Or maybe they just stuffed a polar bear into the time machine (which is organic) and accidentally time travelled off the island and into the desert! |
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By: sharky_18_b17
10/06/2008
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| Well until I read all this I was actually thinking that the Island hasnt even "moved". Remember when Locke is watching the video the guy says something about the rabbit moving forward in time however he also said that just because you cant see it doesnt mean its not there, and the tape starts rewinding. Maybe the island hasnt moved at all, its still there, just in a different time therefore no one else can see it |
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By: nathan.johnston1992
10/06/2008
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sharky brings an interesting point,
but the polar bear thing is pretty interesting too,
maybe they got sick of transporting cloned rabbits and decided to try a polar bear...transporting it right off the island.
hmmm
as to the logical problem...
im at a loss
maybe last time it happened Ben or Richard rebuilt it so that their ppl didnt find it and screw around with it.
i also think dharma covered it up and would have rather used the station because its a safer way of doing it.
they definately have used it before but.
definately.
and during Ben's time, maybe when he was little?
we dont know exactly when the orchid was built so maybe it was built when he was young after someone stumbled upon it.
and i dont think desmond moved the island by using the fail safe key.
it just doesnt seem right, i think the fail safe did some time magic but not move the island????
meh idk i just love watching it.
oh and the ending is GOLD. |
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By: nathan.johnston1992
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oh i forgot to say aswell.
is Jeremy (not completely convinced its Locke yet)
off the island because he had to move it?????? |
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By: whitemage_2005
10/06/2008
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| Try this ... remember back in season 2 when Locke gets caught under the blast door and sees the fluoro map on the back? Many stations leading to the one place, dead ends, etc. Maybe the '?' on the map is the island moving mechanism and not the '?' hatch (or maybe under the '?' hatch). Maybe these dead ends are sealed off access points to the island moving mechanism and the time travel vault is one of them. Dr Halliwax specifically stressed not to put metallic objects into the vault. Maybe this was not so much out of concern for destroying the vault as it was out of concern for people discovering the access point. Also, if Des moved the island by turning the key, could he have moved it into the future, explaining the issues with time difference? Just some thoughts ... |
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By: dhariakia
10/06/2008
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| When the plane crashed, it was in real time. When Desmond turned the key, the sky turned white and a deafening humming noise was heard, just as when Ben turned the wheel. So did Desmond move the island through time then? Daniel commented on how there was a time delay from the ship to the island when he radioed for a missile to be sent to the island, which had a clock inside, so it's possible the island was in a different time then. Does this mean that there was more than one way to move the island through time? |
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By: taxford@y7mail.com
10/06/2008
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| Maybe pushing the button was a way of keeping the Island 'anchored' in spacetime and turning the key has the set the Island loose or returned it to its natural state in time, therefore accounting for the new time difference, allowing for the Island to once again be 'moved' by turning the wheel. |
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By: nathan.johnston1992
11/06/2008
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hmmm
im not convinced des moved the island
i mean, something happened, but it could have been anything.
it's lost remember anything is possible. |
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