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| Yes soxy we do. I started this posting ages ago and the problem seems to vary quite a bit. We still have soiling on the the days that he goes to the toilet and also have it the days that he doesnt. We were going really well for some time and we have had a sudden relapse. I think it is because it is the end of the year and hes very tired and emotional. He is back on the laxative but permanently on the parachoc. Its alot like swings and roundabouts!!!! | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| I'm just wondering when your child has a bowel movement everyday for 3 weeks, is there soiling on the same day as well? or is that soil free? My 7 yr old daughter has about 2 days/week where she doesn't have a bowel movement. So 5 days/week she has a bowel movemnent. However, there are 2-3 days where she has both a bowel movement and soiling and about 2 days/week with a bowel movement and no soiling. Some days she has no soiling and no bowel movement. I have a very hard time knowing if she is constipated or not. Over the past week she has had a bowel movement on 4 days but soiling as well. Does anyone have this problem? |
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| I have a 7yr old son with encopresis, we use Movicol for a bowel evacuation (which can take a few days), the dosage as prescribed by our paediatrician is 8 sachets a day, this seems extreme but its a natural and safe product. He has this dosage for as long as it takes. You must stick with it though until they are empty! they should be able to suck in their tummy and not have any lumps! The first time he had the movicol we were taking this dosage for almost two weeks before he was empty. Once he is empty he takes a mild laxative (durolax in a tablet form) daily or every other day to help maintain his empty tummy. He has been going to the toilet every day for almost three weeks! We have a star chart and regular rewards for his progress. I finally feel like we are getting somewhere in our battle against the encopresis. Hope this can help. |
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| My 6 year old has this problem, so did my older brother and my grandfather. Our pediatrician at Vanderbilt medical center suggested Mag Citrate for a clean out. You also have to use Miralax on a regular basis. See if this helps. Explain to him that this happens to so many children, mainly extremely smart and stubborn boys, as I have been told, and its nothing to hide. Hiding it only makes it worse. | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| Hi everyone i cant believe i found this web site by looking at everyone posts i now can see i not the only parent going through this i have a 9 year old boy who constantly soiling himself and lies to me about it when i go to clean his room i find under wear under the bed,in draws and in the washing machine.i have found my son to be very sneaky.i would love to know how to go about getting my son to have a bowel clean out would anyone whos had one please let me know so i can start getting this sorted out now before its to late | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| Im really finding it hard with my child, we have had this problem for so long i feel that its never going to change his just turned 9 and at first it was just weting but since his been in school his started to soil himself all i seem to be doing is cleaning ive been told he might have adhd.my son seems to be very constipated and we have been to many doctors but they dont see it much of a problem is there anyone with the same trouble "out of ideas". fiona inns | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| I am not sure what her name is. We are in the Metro Nashville school system in Nashville, TN | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| i am 12 years old and i have the same problem. I have tried several different approaches. I have seen doctors and counsellors. he was showing me "tapping" and was also helping me to understand that going to the toilet isnt a bad thing. he was also telling me that sitting on the toilet will only take a few minutes and i wont miss out on much. It did help!! before i couldnt go two days without dirtying my self. Now my record is going ten days without dirtying myself. I also find it easier if i set my self a target on how much days i can last without dirtying my self. If i achieve my goal my parents give me a little prize. I have had this problem for as long as i can remember and my parents and i are sick of it and really want to do something about it so if you have any suggestions please let me know cheers |
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| Are you able to supply the name of the Clinical Psychologist. | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| My son's school is getting him a child psychologist because he is a stubborn child. He is worlds above all the other children academically but he just tends to not wanna listen. This is also the case at home. i read that children with encopresis are stubborn but very smart. They want to test him for a form of autism called asberger's syndrome. It's just alot to deal with especially being divorced. We try to do the same things at both houses as far as pottying goes but I dont think it always happens. My mom found this site for me and it has helped me greatly reading what others hae gone thru. | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| Thank you all for your postings. I really appreciate input from anyone who is dealing with this. It helps so much to know that I am not alone and that it is a very complicated issue. My daughter's Dr. also recommends that she sit on the toilet after each meal and that her stool should be the consistency of pudding. Sometimes it is, but sometimes it isn't. The other problem I have with routine toilet sits is that my daughter (7 yr) resists sitting on the toilet much of the time. She's been better lately, but for years, I ended up in a power struggle with her everytime I suggested she sit on the toilet. I'm glad if she sits on the toilet once/day. I found an article on the internet called "Toilet Training Problems: Underachievers, refusers, and stool holders" by Baron D. Schmitt, MD. It has a section called "Guide for Parents, Toilet training resistance:Daytime wetting and soiling". Some of the suggestions have been helpful, particularly using the incentives. We are seeing a psychologist, and I believe it has helped too. Having a trained professional outside the family focus on the behavioral/psychological piece of it and speak with my daughter has been supportive and helpful. I look forward to hearing from you all again. |
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| This is pretty much the same things that we have been through - with limited and short term success. At the moment we are 6 weeks into a complete dairy elimination diet which was suggested by our Paed Gastro. I was pretty skeptical at first as we had already got rid of most of the dairy in my son's diet. The first 3 weeks made absolutely no impact but the last 3 weeks have been fantastic!!!! We have had 1 small slip up and that occured after accidently having yougurt in a Boost juice. We are pressing on and hope our results continue. | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| My 6 year old son has this problem, as did my older brother and grandfather. My brother had encopresis tile he was in 8th grade which I am sure was very embarrassing. He went to a psychologist for years. My son has been seeing a team of doctors at Vanderbilt Children's Hospital in Nashville and they say to do the initial cleanout with Mag Citrate and follow that with Miralax twice a day for a while. Not sure how long yet, because he still has the problem. We have cleaned him out once, but it has built back up some and now are having to do it again. He is also seeing a child psychologist at school for his stubborness and his not wanting to listen. He can be very stubborn at times. The doctors told us that they would like his stool to be the consistency of pudding and for him to get on the toilet after every meal for up to 20 minutes. I am not sure this helps you at all or if this is the best thing. If you have any ideas for me let me know. How everything works out. | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| Thanks again for sharing your experience. I appreciate hearing from you. I find myself feeling most frustrated with my daughter when from my perspective it seems she is clearly making a choice not to use the toilet at times. There is obviously some other reason from her perspective. For example, she is 7 yr old and when she's at home and it's appropriate to do so, I will allow her to run around with no panties on. At these times, she always uses the toilet to pass stool. However, as soon as there is anything touching her bottom, she soils herself as a result of holding her stool. Why would she hold it when she has clothes on and consistently use the toilet when she has no clothes on? Your feedback and thoughts would be much appreciated. She has started to see a psychologist to help us with this behavior. After seeing her Dr. she is currently not constipated and continues taking a stool softener daily and a laxative on the days that she has not had a bowel movement. I am completely stumped as to why she does not use the toilet to have a bowel movement when she is fully clothed. She often pees her pants as well if she not near a toilet. For example, in the park or playground. I appreciate all input and suggestions from others if this has been your experience. |
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| First off, because of my soiling issue, I have a low self-esteem. I thought that this was happening to just me because I was lazy and too easily put down. Seeing a psychologist helped me realize that this is not my fault, and that I can get through this. I've been a lot happier since I've started seeing her. I've been doing a lot better in school; not that I haven't before, I'm in advanced, but I'm able to focus better than ever. About a few days ago, I decided to take charge and I took a dose of Dulcolax to "empty out my colon". Since then, I've been taking a stool softener/fiber to make it easier to have a BM. It's been working so far. The only down side are stomach aches before and after the BM and diarrhea to make it easier to pass it. I have an appointment with a doctor sometime later this month, a gastropologist(SP?), I believe. Also, I found that in the past years I was avoiding using the bathroom for a BM because of past painful expierences. I was scared that it would hurt too much. But lately, I'm just trying to push through the pain. |
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| Thank you so much for posting your message. It really helps to hear from someone who can express what its like to be going through this problem. Most of our kids are still too little to be able to give us feedback and its very frustrating. Thanks for giving them a voice!!!! Please I'd love to hear more about how you are handling school and the day to day logistics. Try to totally ignore any kids that give you a hard time - everyone who reads this site is supporting you 100%. | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| Thank you very much for sharing. As a parent, it helps tremendously. My daughter is now 7 yr. and has had encopresis since age 4, when she was diagnosed. It was probably sooner, but she didn't see a pediatrician until she was 4. Our daughter has started to see a psychologist so I'm glad to know you feel it has helped you. How has it helped? Are you also seeing a physician (Dr.) of any kind? Are you on any medication,such as stool softeners or laxatives? I don't believe my daughter soils herself on purpose, however, it is very difficult sometimes to be patient with her and understand completely why she doesn't stop to go to the toilet. Encopresis is a complex issue. Your perspective is very helpful and I believe it will give me more understanding from my daughter's perspective so that I can support her to deal with her encopresis. |
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| Hello. I'm thirteen and I think I'm going through encopresis. The results of encopresis sound exactly like mine. I came across this board out of despiration because I've been going through this since I was 5. I'm tired of this happening, so I decided I wanted to take control. So far, nothing has worked. But right now, I'm seeing a psychologist and it really does help. Some tips I think that work: 1.)Don't yell at your child when he/she has an accident. My parents do so, and it only makes me afraid and not want to go at all. 2.)Don't "check them for accidents", it only makes us embarrassed. I've recently discovered that people at school talk about me all the time because I smell. It hurts wickedly bad. That is part of the reason I'm taking control. Well, I just wanted to give you a "child's perspective" on this issue. Thank you. I'm sorry to say, but I'm too embarrassed to state my name. |
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| WOW .....Am I happy to find this forum. My 7 yr old boy is in Hospital at the moment having a clean out, the doctor has placed him on movitcal. It took 2 days to work but finally we are seeing number 2's. My son has had bowel problems since he was a baby and just got worse and worse as he got older. I seen a dietican in the hospital and after discussing my sons case we are going to try and treat him Diary Free , Preservative free etc .. Plus motivcal. We have had 3 known children in our family with this illness, all on my side of the family , 3 boys and they all have blonde hair. Anyway I have to go ... I will check back in a few days and keep you all updated |
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| My son is 7 years old and we have been battling with him for about 3 years now. I'm still not sure how much of his problem is behavioural and how much is medical - truly it changes from day to day!! Sometimes you just have to step back for a while and take the pressure off of everyone. Otherwise toileting becomes the focus of your life and the stress and negativity become overwhelming. Honestly we seem to have the best results - perhaps weeks at a time - when we all just chill out a bit (extremely difficult I know!!!) Positive reinforcement is great when the kids are little. We have a pre-wrapped surprise to give out at the end of 5 days. The guessing games that take place during the week help to maintain focus and take the stress out. I have also tried to involve my son in a fact finding mission to identify foods, situations and times that soiling occurs (he likes the idea of being a spy on a mission). This has been useful and keeps him aware and involved in whats going on. Hope this helps!!!!! | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| I'm wondering if anyone has had a physiological diagnosis for their child's encopresis? Whatever the cause of encopresis (physiological or psyhological), is the treatment the same? I know that keeping the bowels cleaned out is crucial to the treatment. It has been recommended to us by the Dr. that getting our daughter to sit regularly on the toilet is a must. At the same time I find that my husband and I are both enmeshed in a power struggle with my daughter when trying to get her sit on the toilet. The more we remind, the more she resists. My daughter's contribution to the power struggle is usually her difficult, strong-willed temperament. Our reminders are a form of pressure and keeps the power struggle going. I find that the less power she feels she has in the situation, the more she holds her stool. Has anyone stopped all reminders? My question is "How do we get her to sit on the toilet without reminding and engaging in a power struggle?" We are giving our daughter incentives and stickers when she goes in the toilet on her own and encouraging her to take responsibility for her messes. Any other suggestions? |
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| Thank You for posting seems you now have lots of families all going through the same thing,nice to know we can all chat and pass on info and get through these hard times,off to another appointment this week and have started some different medicines and this week have decided to except nothing less so I shall follow him as much as possible when he is home and make him do his time on the tiolet,I bought a kitchen cooking timer and we put it on for 15 minutes so he knows he can't move until the bell goes off,also he is now having to clean up his mess this is something he does not like,wiping up any poo that ends up anywhere except the tiolet,we talk about how he needs to respond to that pushing feeling and I am doing this when I bust him soiling I am feeling more positive and will try anything that might work also now he is reading potty training stories,while he is in there so fingers crossed we can slowly start to make some progress,we live in QLD,and how much of a coincidence that all of our kids that have this are intelligent and strong willed children.Hopefully my next post will be better news. | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| Thanks for your feedback. My daughter has been going to school for 3 years (Kindergarten, grade 1 and now, grade 2). Her teachers have very supportive and encourage her to go to the bathroom at any time. It's my daughter that doesn't acknowledge she has to go. Most of the time she just doesn't want to stop doing what she's doing in order to go to the toilet. The good news is that she has the same teacher for grade 2 as she had in grade 1, so there was no change. And she has been with many of the same friends since Kindergarten. I have been keeping track of her bowel movements and she has gone every day for the past 5 days in the toilet , however, it has been at home when she has had no panties on. As soon as she has panties on, she soils or pees herself. She has even had a few pee accidents, because she refuses to stop playing. I used to think that perhaps there was something physiologically wrong, but now I'm believing that it's mostly behavioural. She is a VERY strong-willed child and is very intelligent and determined. I've really been working on celebrating her successes (positive reinforcement), rather than focusing on the accidents (negative reinforcement). Hopefully she will eventually grow out of soiling her pants. How old is your son now? Sounds like you've been having more success with him. Thanks for your responses. It's helps to stay hopeful. |
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| Try not to worry too much about the problems you will face when your child goes to school for the first time. We've actually found it a little easier as our son is now able to change himself. Make sure you find a sympathetic teacher and make sure your child is always allowed to go to the toilet - relief teachers and other subject teachers will sometimes make them wait!!! Its also great if your child moves through to school with some friends from Kindy. Our experience is that its not a real problem amoungst the kids until Grade 3 and hopefully by then you will be well on the way to recovery. Good Luck!! | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| I still do not know anyone in my own city who is going through the same thing with their child. I do know, however, it's a major problem here (We live in Edmonton, Alberta, Canada). People just don't talk about these things. It's nice to beable to talk to all of you and know I am not alone. I've taken a Leave of Absence from my job, partially to deal with this issue. I'm tired of having her soil her pants at daycare. The staff have been very patient, but they don't get it. Obviously no other child in the day care has the same problem. My biggest fear is that she is going to start getting teased when she has an accident at school. Up until now, she has said that she hasn't been teased at all. She has a change of clothes in her backpack, but typically she doesn't acknowledge that she's had an accident, until someone tells her. That's the part that is most frustrating. I'd love to hear from others around this concern. |
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