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By: mels.mania
24/10/2009
7:41 pm

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Hi Rebecca... it may well be that you are eating it too quickly. Even liquids can cause us grief sometimes.

Remember that you are still very swollen and sore on the inside, and that maybe just a eat off a teaspoon for a few days until it settles. Some people are more prone to swelling after any sort of surgery, maybe you are one of these.

Suck on some ice cold things... an icy pole, paddle pop or the like... sip some cold water with ice in it very slowly to see if the cold helps relieve the swelling.

Mel

By: rebeccascully83
24/10/2009
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hi all i am post op 3 days and have a few questions - i have bad pain inbetween my boobs - but below them - is that the band site? - also when i burp/hicup it really hurts there aswell - i am drinking juice/drinking yought/and canned soups - thin with no bits - but i feel that i mam deff eating 2 quickly - could this be the pain i ma having???

By: jjjnini
24/10/2009
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Thanks Kate for your kind words, nice to hear there is some light at the end of the tunnel, and things get easier. Guess I am feeling sorry for myself, Day 3 after op..Hearburn, reflux feeling, and pain round the banding. I am such a misery guts...

By: jjjnini
24/10/2009
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Hi there,
This is day 3 post-0p for me. I have suffered with bad Esophagus pain, and sucking quick-eze, which has helped a lot with the heartburn feeling, I read they put the camera down the Esophagus, so that probably does'nt help. Pain in tummy is easing, still not feeling very hungy, trying to just take the whole liquid stage slowly, and repair all round the wound. Anyone else have bad heartburn? Janine

By: girlram@ymail.com
23/10/2009
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Hi All I got banded yesterday 130pm, I woke from anaethestic with a very sore left shoulder but a heat pack helped this a lot!

I had cups of ice and water and slept quite well overnight.

Today before being discharged the nurse said I should try soluable panadol for pain but I didnt realy feel that sore but she kind of insisted which turned out to be a mistake I vommitted alost immediately (I know think it was cause it was fizzy) because I was able o knock down a glass of water and two of those apple juice cups before coming home.

I was very pleased to be able to burp I read somewhere or was told that you cant burp after the band and who doesnt enjoy a good burp.

I am not really sure what I can drink but havent been hungry anyway so it hasnt been a huge problem.

I had 3 tablespoons of berries with crushed ice and apple juice half a cup of soup and some cordial today.

I think I will love the mashed potatoe stage !
I slept a fair bit today and wasnt overly saw but later in the day I beun to feel sore around the op sites.

Does anyone know when the soreness goes?

Anywho the jury is out on whether this was the right thing we will see,

Bye for now

By: billiecan2
23/10/2009
6:49 pm

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Yippeee, I have started mushies and am very excited..so over pureed.
Saw my surgeon yesterday and everything is going great guns. I lost 3.6kgs which is really fabo. I would love to lose 10kgs for xmas but any loss is a good loss.
I am now getting quite hungry or more like peckish at times but try to not think about it or I just dip my finger into some yoghurt that seems to help.

It has been a good week!!
Laters everyone
Billiecan

By: fairysteps@y7mail.com
23/10/2009
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Hi, Fairy steps here I was banded on monday 19/10/09 so I am on day 5. I was told if it fits through a staw I can have it,but not to use a straw as the sucking motion also gets air and that gives you wind pains, I am on sustagen 3X a day[for 2 weeks] and any thing else I like up to 2 litres a day as this is the healing stage not the weight loss stage that comes in 2 weeks mind you I watch what I drink , a small capacino at the end of the day if I have been good.I also take supradyn daily for my vitamins just let the bubbles die down 1st, my biggest problem is making myself drink slowly but I know about it if I drink to much in one go. Catgh you all later

By: ballaratroofing
20/10/2009
9:06 pm

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day 6 for me, went back to work today was great, kept my mind of me guts. have had great results on the scales 5.7 kgs since the opp. am doing allright on liquids but am really looking forward to scrambled eggs and pasta.
should i be having any vitimans.?
i also am interested to know what it feels like to have a band slip if there is anyone out there that has experianced it.

By: billiecan2
20/10/2009
8:25 pm

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Hi everyone

I went back to work this week a week after my op. I am so glad as I was sooooo bored!!!.

Anyway there is so much I want to ask,say advise but will let you know that I have no "wing tip" pain only occassional pain where the port is and really it is more discomfort then anything.By my scales I have lost around 3kgs which is encouraging.

Now for the eating part...I am now starting to feel more hungry but am determined to stick to my puree but I am probably bordering on mushie as somethings dont dribble off the spoon like it should but I have had no real issues with burping, discomfort or anything.

I am also very paranoid about slippage. So my question is
How do you know if your band has slipped?

Mental state good!!

By: wastingaway2normal
20/10/2009
5:43 pm

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Yostuyu, I completely understand. I also broke down and ate something only a few days out. It was not much, but I too have been beating myself up about it. We both know it is risky and stupid, so I won't lecture you.

I plan on telling my surgeon when I see him, humiliating as that will be. (He's a great surgeon, but not very compassionate!)If you talk with your doctor, they can do the tests that will put your mind at ease.

For me, the slip was all about comfort eating--I have not been really hungry. My battle is going to be in my mind, I know that. But it can be won! I am back on track...a bit humbler, a bit more careful and a bit more reasonable about what I will need to do to make this work for me. Cheating the band is cheating myself.

Being hungry in the beginning, I gather, does not mean that your band has slipped. It can depend on how much fill is in there at the time of surgery and maybe other things.

Perhaps someone with more experience can give more info.

Does anyone have first hand experience of very early band slippage due to not sticking to the liquid/mushie stages?

Thanks.

By: ness14u
20/10/2009
4:23 pm

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I think we are all a little paranoid for the first few weeks but you should fess up to your doc. I'm impressed you felt hungry on Day 3 and could eat at all! I was only just out of hospital on day 3 and had to force myself to drink anything until day 7 where I started to feel hungry.

Thanks for the advice on Goat's yoghurt... I live in red neck ville where it has taken them years to even stock chorizo sausage yet alone fancy yoghurt! Next time I am at the "big" shops I'll have a look.

All I have had today is chocolate milk for breakfast, some water, juice and chicken soup for lunch. Just made myself a strawberry milkshake (real strawberries) after making the bed, very painful to make bed - should have waited for partner to help. Now a rest I think!

By: yotsuyu21
20/10/2009
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I had my op on the 12th. And on day 4.... i cheated. I feel so stupid and silly and risky but i ate two spring roll. not big spring roll, mini spring roll but they were spring roll nonetheless. I did chewed them to death because i was so missing the flavor and the chewing of food...
i did not have any problems with it afterwards, everything seemed fine except for the shoulder pain but that's been there since Day 1. Now at Day 7 it's not there anymore so i'm ok.

I do find that i am eating less and lost about 3-4 kgs in the last few days but that's probably water which i will get back next mushy phase.

I stick to the diet now but i am paranoid about the spring rolls. its haunting me!

I can sleep on my side or on my back quite comfortably since day 3, no issue at all with stomach. Constipation seemed to have cleared too.

But i'm still paranoidly scared of doing bad damage to my band because of the spring roll. For example, i feel hungry every 2-3 hours, so i have about 1 or 2 gulp of unsweetened apple juice and stick to 3 small meals a day (as per instruction)...

If i'm hungry every 2-3 hours, does this mean my band slipped? I really hope not. Curse those spring rolls, but they were sooooo goood =(

By: jayedubbau
19/10/2009
10:19 pm

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Hi Kelly.

Re the constipation, the advice I had was to try and keep things moving because it can become a real problem if you let it go on too long. Having said that, mine came right on it's own once I started having some thicker vegetable soups which I did after the first week.

Some people suggest using metamucil but my doctor told me to use Lactulose which is a liquid syrup that tastes incredibly sweet. I didn't need it this time but have used it in the past when I was pregnant. You can dilute it with water but I found this made it worse and I used to just drink it straight down as fast as I could and then drink water afterwards to wash it down. Of course, some people would probably like it but I am not a sweet tooth.

Re the rib pain, I have still got it slightly and I am 2 weeks post op tomorrow. Early on I was very worried about it because I have a genetic condition which makes me prone to blood clots and I thought it might be a clot. I wish that they gave you a big list of all these bits of info before the surgery but they don't so we all worry until we find out that others are in the same boat.

Good luck with your recovery,

Jaye

By: jayedubbau
19/10/2009
10:08 pm

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Hi Ness.

There is some pretty nice natural sheep's milk yoghurt called Meredith Dairy that I used to use a lot when I was not having dairy. I found I needed to go to a decent health food shop to get it but it was worth it.

I'm not sure about the fat content, but would imagine less than cow's but could be wrong. However, I only eat full fat yoghurt because it tastes so much better than low fat and for the amount of it I eat, I don't think it's a concern. Generally, I think people overestimate the fat content of milk, yoghurt etc. Of course with cream, cheese and butter you need to be very careful but milk and yoghurt are only about 4% fat and I can live with that if it tastes a lot better. Some of the Greek yoghurts do have cream added to them though so you have to watch out for that!

I am officially two weeks post op tomorrow and moving onto to the mushy stuff. Actually I cheated and started at lunchtime today because I had my follow up appointment at the hospital today and got the all clear so I thought I could bring it forward 12 hours or so.

I had pasta tonight but was cautious and used risoni for the first time. I had a tomato based sauce and meatballs (well I only had one). The meatballs were cooked in the sauce so very soft and I chopped it up with my fork and chewed it very well. I also had a fair bit of sauce on the pasta to help things along.

We had dinner at about 6.30 and I still feel very very full. I tried to limit the amount to less than a cup, in fact aimed for 1/2 cup but didn't measure it and may need to do so next time as I feel like I overate. It is nice to feel like you can eat something resembling real food though.

Glad you got some extra time off work. I went in today for the first time and I was fine but I must admit I am exhausted now so I'm glad I didn't go back any sooner.

Jaye

By: ballaratroofing
19/10/2009
7:16 pm

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hi all i have been reading through all the post and we a all in the same boat. I was banded on thursday just gone and have experianced the shoalder pain and just this afternoon have had the shard stabing pain unded my left rib cage, this i have been worried about all day but feel so much beeter now knowin that it is normal. one question i have is bowel movment i have had none is that normal. i figure if nothin goes in nothin should come out!!!? Right?. in regards to a diet i have been living on liquid yogaurt, milk apple juice and water. i cant wait for scrabled eggs or a casserole pureid. i would love any advice and wish i had of found this site last week. cheers to all look forward to all the success storeys. kelly, ballarat

By: ness14u
19/10/2009
12:07 pm

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Thanks Jaye, I am still at home for another few days as I ended up going to doc yesterday to get dressings changed. I also ate runny scrambled egg and stewed apple and runny rice custard and found I felt soooo much better for eating that. Maybe not supposed to at this stage. Still have left shoulder tip pain though. You can buy lactose free milk, cream and yoghurt so I am using those products where I can but you can't buy greek style unsweetened lactose free yoghurt unfortunately. I was brought up on Goats milk and can't stand it now, but goat's cheese is fine. The problem is I can have normal diary but only small amounts of full fat milk and cheese (the higher the fat content the lower the lactose). Not helpful for weightloss!

By: jayedubbau
17/10/2009
11:45 pm

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Hi Ness.

Going back to work after a week seems a bit tough. I was given a certificate for two weeks which is up on Tuesday. I still have slight pain but am pretty good now but up until Thursday or Friday I had a sharp pain under my left ribs which I was starting to get worried about until I checked with my doctor and she said it was just more referred pain. I have been very tired and am still struggling with that so I think taking a bit more time off is a good idea for you if you are able to.

Re the snacks, it will be harder for you as all the easiest things are dairy, which I think you said you can't tolerate. What about some of the Nudie juices, or V8 juices or tomato juice or something like that? You can always have a good old reliable soup for lunch. Someone at my work who has had the surgery has been bringing instant porridge for lunch. He thins it down with milk but I guess you could use some kind of pureed fruit like apple sauce or some other runny stewed fruit. Or do you use goat's milk or rice milk or something like that? If you do, I have also been finding that a hot chocolate works well. I make it up with milk instead of water so it has some nutritional value. I use one that is not lactose free but there may be a lactose free version out there. Or you could do it the old fashioned way and just grate up dark chocolate and mix it into whatever milk substitute you use. Lash out and have a marshmallow in it too if you want to.

I have been allowing myself a few luxuries as I am eating so little over all. Some evenings I have just one scoop of some delicious ice cream my sister made for me. I have lost 4 kilos in the 11 days since surgery and I lost 5 on opti so I don't think it's doing too much damage at the moment. No ice cream for you but maybe you could stick a fruit sorbet in the freezer at work and have a scoop at morning tea time. We need to be a bit creative at this stage.

Good luck, Jaye

By: ness14u
17/10/2009
10:36 pm

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Hi Jaye and Billie, it sure helps to know that what you are experiencing is similar to others. I have already lost 2kg's in less than a week, but have to say the homemade sang choi bao my family ate tonight made me feel like I was truly missing out! Still have the gas pain and will call doc on Monday - I am supposed to be going back to work but think I need a few more days yet. I am upset though that my previously gorgeous thick lusterous curly strawberry blonde hair has losts it shine and curl and I have a bit of that haunted look. My body must be shocked from the surgery and lack of balanced nutriion. Made chicken and corn soup with egg, pureed of course, from scratch with chicken carcass so hoping that works wonders for me. Support is key though, I'm very fortunate to have a close friend who has done this before me so her advice is great. What are people taking to work for lunches/snacks?

By: jayedubbau
17/10/2009
10:58 am

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Hi Billiecan.

I was a bit confused about all this too. I think that when they talk about purees at this early stage they are talking about purees of a soupy texture like pumpkin soup etc. So not as thick as people have them in the mushy stage but not watery liquids as some people stick to in the first week.

Personally, I used a cautious trial and error strategy. I started having pureed soups, then adding some yoghurt to them, then pureeing them up with cheese, then moved on to runny scrambled eggs. So each day I made them a little more substantial once I was sure what I could tolerate.

But I agree it's a bit confusing. I was told 2 weeks on liquids and then 2 weeks on purees but when I was in hospital they gave me custard and when I queried it they said it was fine because it was smooth and would go down easily and be "liquid in my mouth".

So I am assuming that when they say purees for the third and fourth week, they are talking about thicker things like mashed potatoes or pureed casserole type dishes etc. I can't promise this is right, but this is the interpretation that I have gone with.

Hope this helps,

Jaye

By: mack.cath
17/10/2009
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Make the change when you feel ready. My op was three days before yours and I know I'm not ready for anything too thick. 125mls is about all I can manage at the moment without getting a belly ache and my doctor recommended Opti for two weeks. So long as you are getting adequate nourisment and are not drinking empty calories, it should not be a problem. If your fluids are calorie laden then you need to seriously reconsider the plan. Day 5 for pureed foods sounds odd to me. Let your body tell you what to do. Mack

By: billiecan2
17/10/2009
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Hi all

As I reading older threads..I feel a little conflicted..my dietician advised that i start pureed phase today (op was on monday) but it seems like alot of people stay on "straw" phase for 2 weeks. Anyone with any ideas?
cheers
Billiecan2

By: cow_tippin_kate
16/10/2009
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Hey Newbies
Just thought I'd pop in & say hi. I found it always helped when someone did it for me in the early stages.
The c r a p p y days are almost over! You've made the right decision. It gets easier every day and in a few weeks you will be shocked- not just by how good you look but by how good you feel.

Hang in there, support each other and remember this part of the process is about being kind to yourself.
Kate
SW 165kg
DOB 2/7/09
CW 135(ish) kg

By: billiecan2
16/10/2009
6:26 pm

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Hi..it is great to read the feedback..I too had a hernia repair and also did not know about..the doctor still charged me for it though!!!
I am feeling so much better today in regards to my mental state...I keep focussing on all the positives..I am much hungrier today and cant wait to have some texture as in puree tomorrow but not sure if I can wait that long. My sister also has been banded and has lost 17kgs since june and she is a great support for me, but i see that it is all different for everyone.
I suppose the best thing is to focus on the moment and not look too far ahead. I dont think we realise the depth of our decision to be banded (well for me anyway.
talk to you all tomorrow

By: jayedubbau
15/10/2009
11:52 pm

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Hi Ness.

I am 9 days post op and have been feeling steadily better every day. I had significant referred pain in my shoulder and collarbone and they settled down by about Day 5. Port site was still sore when I moved and bent over etcetera until about the last 2 days. Now it is sore to touch but doesn't bother me if I don't bother it. I had a sharp pain under my left rib which seemed to get worse over the first week but is now easing every day. I am now able to lift my young son and do all the things I normally would do for him without pain, although I am still not supposed to. I still cannot stand and hold him for long or carry him far.

I'm sure it is different for everyone but I would say that in terms of pain and discomfort the first week was the hardest. On the other hand, I had very little appetite in first week and found it easy to fill up on soups. Now I am much hungrier. Not sure if you're an egg person but a lot of people make egg flips to get their protein or egg drop soups where they stir the egg into the soup carefully to avoid lumps. I haven't tried either of those but I am doing the runny scrambled egg thing that I described in my earlier post today.

I found that I could tolerate heavier/thicker liquids after the first few days. I think a banana smoothie is a bit thick for day 3 or it would have been for me. What I had a few times was orange juice with a few strawberries blended up in it and then put through a sieve. A bit more substantial than just juice but not too thick. Try to build it up gradually maybe.

I had the hernia repair too, and so did a friend of mine who had the surgery a few months ago. I would love to hear from anyone who knows any more about that in terms of, how come it's so common? I didn't even know I had it. Do lots of people have it and don't know, or is it related to obesity? Curious about this so if anyone can shed any light please let me know.

Hope you feel better soon.

Jaye

By: ness14u
15/10/2009
11:02 pm

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Hey all, I was banded on 12th October and have made it to day 3 after op. I have found it is an excercise in testing what you can drink. I am lactose AND soy intolerant so that really limits me for my protein intake, I am living on lactose free milk, soups (pumpkin, tomato etc). Hot tea goes down nicely but a banana smoothie does not. Wind pain terrible since op but am taking Gaviscon now which helps. Still worried I am not getting the nutrients needed. My hair is disgusting - all lank and nasty which is so wrong for me. How many days is typical for this first recovery stage? I had hernia repair done same time some my swelling might be more than just with band.
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