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| perhaps I'm wrong... but I personally don't see any problem in the statement "some illnesses are all in the mind" There's something called psychosocial effects and therefore a holistic care for patients is very important since thoughts and feelings can sometimes make people feeling worse. |
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| Mmmmm Nursing changes throughout the years.....you have good ones and you have bad ones....regardless of what 'certificate' you hold. Bottom line is....what about the patient? Do we give them the care they need? Once again regardless of what Qualification we hold? Yes and No..... You get where I'm coming from? Forget the inhouse 'misunderstandings' about who gives the better/safer care......the patient is the one we are there for.....Just give the best of who you are and what you can do....whatever qualification you hold....the patient is the number one priority....that is why we are 'nurses'. |
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| Both are Registered Nurses. One is Registered Nurse Division One (old "sister" type nurse) the other is Registered Nurse Division Two (old enrolled nurse or nurse's aid). The RN Div 2's are doing themselves no favors attending medication endorsement. Looks good in short term ie more initial work BUT the hospitals are USING you to save themselves money and are putting patients at risk by having LESS RN Div 1's to pay. And don't expect to use the 'I didn't know' routine. YOU give the drug, YOU take responsibility. A bit like RN Div 1's putting drips in...why?? That's the biggest con!Sometimes THAT is the only time you can get a doctor to come and review patients and do the other stuff that needs looking at. | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| Well my dear "Golfa"... one should check their facts, particularly before stating "i [sic] know for a fact that enrolled nurses..." You do not appear to "Know for a fact" very much about the real world of nursing in general, and the roles and responsibilities of various nursing streams, in particular. One may say: "I think Golfa Protesteth too Much"... to poorly cite William Shakespere. In other words, why do we dislike ENs so much as to out-right lie about, and continue to publicly defame ENs at all? Through your comments, you have most likely insulted an entire chohort of nurses (AINs, RNs, CNC, ENs, EENs, ENAP, etc etc). The FACT that there is no such thing as a "PA" in the nursing environ you refer to, simply evinces your utter disregard for factually-based "truth". I will say, as a non-nurse; your apparent utter distaste for ENs specifically, and your obvious ignornorance about nurses altogher, is totally embarassing, maliscious and highly insulting to the rest of the community. In summation: Golfa... Please cease and desist making FACTUALLY INCORRECT statements when you say: Quote "i know for a fact that.. blah blah..." Check your facts before making such gross statements of error. If you can extinguish your biased and blinkered view on life, I suggest that you: "Have a nice life"! Regards.... J |
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| i am currently study cert iv in health which will allow me to register as an endorsed div 2 nurse. this is equivilant to the EN that you are discussing. Let me tell you that the course i have undertaken has been full on hectic and very demanding. When i gan my registration being endorsed means i am able to administer medications. The scope for div2 in victoria has changed so much. It noe includes catheterisation, drawing blood, medications, acute care, complex care, analyse health info. The only difference is that i work under teh direction of a div 1 or (RN). I will still be very much accountable for my actions and there for wouldnt practise if i didnt feel competant. Its these types of attitudes that let the team down. The EN are a crucial part of the nursing team. I have also applied for my bachelor, the lady i spoke to at the uni said that nurses that come through from EN's make fantastic nurses as they always have more hands on experience. | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| One must realise that there is good and bad in every occupation, Nurses, Teachers, shop keepers etc, I work in an aged care facility with RN's and EN"s and I am glad for the support both give to me. | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| I think it is very sad that you feel this way about EN's and can only think you feel threatened by them and what they have achieved over the years. I feel I have come up through the ranks by starting as a PCA, then working up to EN and RN. I feel having this past experience makes me a better nurse as I have experienced caring from the shop floor up. Over the years I have worked with some wonderful EN's who I thought were RN's due to their wonderful nursing and level of knowledge; at the same time I have worked with RN's that are so "up themselves" they think the lower ranks are simply there to do their dirty work and don't earn the respect of others. My university training has taught me to be open-minded and non-judgemental, sadly you do not hold these qualities. It's a pity that you are incapable of looking past the title and unable to see other nurses as part of your team and giving them the credit that so many rightfully deserve. | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| Citing one comment made by an enrolled nurse hardly counts as evidence that enrolled nurses are incompetant.I have heard registerd nurses make innapropriate comments but would not be so preposterous to assume that this is the norm. I am an enrolled nurse with thirty years experience and at present studying for my bachelor of nursing. On completion I will still be working in the same ward carrying out the same procedures with the same competancy as before. I am well respected member of a staff team who would be horrified if they heard anyone make such an unprofessional and mendacious commment.All nurses should be valued and treated with respect regardless of grade. Given your attitude I think there may be a little bit of insecurity here regarding enrolled nurses which is the catalist for your unprofessional attitude. | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| i know for a fact there are enrolled nurses out there who started out as nurses assistants. This is like a PA today. Theses EN's have never had to prove themselves and have extremely limited health knowledge full stop. Today there is a similar trend....to get PA's doing more and more of the EN's roles and have greater patient contact. This offends me because some PA's are the equivalent of labourers in the general workforce. Many EN's are EN's because their skill and education is so low they had few options. |
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| I am an RN and have nothing but respect for ENs. I have worked with many who have the knowledge and experience that far outstrips an RN. Most are caring and compassionate and no text book can teach you that. Yes, I have worked with incompetent ENs, I have also worked with incompetent RNS To compare an EN to an uneducated high school-drop out is insulting to say the least. |
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| I use to feel threatened by Enrolled nurses, as they do take on alot of responsibility, considering their training compared to mine....i myself having a nursing degree and 25 years nursing experience. If something goes wrong, i know the buck stops with me. As i do work with Enrolled nurses and we get along fine it also gives me the chance to teach them alot as well, as i have many years experience. We all have to start somewhere, and we need each others support, encouragement too. To say that enrolled nurses are immature and uneducated is very foolish and untrue. |
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| Well said Enrolled Nurse. I am thinking of doing a Nurses Assistant Course next year and then onto Enrolled Nurse when my kids are older and I would much rather work with you than the starter of this thread I feel that I would learn more from an Enrolled Nurse than this so called REgistered Nurse. Keep up the good work, Enrolled Nurses (as all nurses) do very well and are appreciated. | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| I think a registered nurse just did make a stupid comment. You have just demonstrated the imaturity and unprofessionalism that ALL nurses try to steer clear from. As for enrolled nurses education, do you have any idea of the level of education an enrolled nurse recieves? Have you actually researched any of your statements? I'm sure the many nurses you class as 'high school drop outs' would be more than happy to sit down and speak with you about how you could of assisted in developing the particular nurse mentality you have used as 1 example Do you know how valued their experience is and the role they play to ALL nursing? And do you know sometimes, registered nurses actually consult enrolled nurses because they work together as a team. May I suggest you go back to 'registered nurse school' and find the definition of nursing. Because I wouldn't want someone so judgemental sticking things in my veins thanks very much :) Regards The Enrolled Nurse :) |
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| a registered nurse undertakes health-science training and has a degree in nursing. By contrast many enrolled nurses working in hospitals today have surprisingly little academic training. Many are basically high school drop outs, except for the newer ones who had to go to tafe. My problem is enrolled nurses are taking on more responsibilities of a medical nature with very little training. When I was in hospital for example, an enrolled nurse explained her view that some illnesses are "all in the mind". How can a person with this mentality care and have compassion for others. A registered nurse would never dream of making such a stupid comment. I don't want enrolled nurses sticking things in my veins thanks very much. |
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