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By: professor.inglis
17/10/2009
8:14 pm

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EWA in the USA:

http://finance.yahoo.com/echarts?s=EWA#chart1:symb ol=ewa;range=my;indicator=volume;charttype=line;cr osshair=on;ohlcvalues=0;logscale=on;source=undefin ed

"The investment seeks to provide investment results that correspond generally to the price and yield performance of publicly traded securities in the Australian market, as measured by the MSCI Australia index. The fund generally invests at least 90% of assets in the securities of its Underlying index and in depositary receipts representing securities in its Underlying index. It invests at least 80% of assets in the securities of the Underlying index or in DRs representing securities in its Underlying index. The index consists of stocks traded primarily on the Australian Stock Exchange. It is nondiversified."

By: professor.inglis
17/10/2009
8:07 pm

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What about this one from : "StreetAuthority Investor Update"?? Any suggestions/comments please???

"Australia's Opportunities Deliver Double-Digit Gains
Years ago, investors looking to capitalize on Australia's growing economy would have few choices. But that's not the case today.

For instance, investors can benefit from the Australian dollar's rise against the U.S. dollar with CurrencyShares Australian Dollar Trust (NYSE: FXA), which is up over +27% year-to-date. The exchange-traded fund (ETF) iShares MSCI Australia Index (NYSE: EWA) is a solid equity play, giving investors access to everything from Australia's strongest banks and mining companies to grocery store chains and energy companies. EWA has surged +67% since the beginning of the year.

Many investors pulled out of the market during last year's meltdown, waiting for a safer environment. But now that Australia has emerged from the turmoil, their wait could well be over.

-- Amy Calistri
Chief Investment Strategist
Stock of the Month"

By: professor.inglis
17/10/2009
7:42 pm

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http://research.stlouisfed.org/fred2/series/EXPCH

http://research.stlouisfed.org/fred2/graph/?chart_ type=line&s[1][id]=EXPCH&s[1][transformation]=pc1


http://research.stlouisfed.org/fred2/series/PPIENG

By: professor.inglis
17/10/2009
7:32 pm

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Inflation indicator:

http://research.stlouisfed.org/fred2/series/MICH

By: professor.inglis
17/10/2009
7:26 pm

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One of the BEST USA key indicators for DOW, S&P 500, US economy, and Thanksgiving-Christmas consumer spending, profits, etc:

http://research.stlouisfed.org/fred2/series/UMCSEN T

http://research.stlouisfed.org/fred2/graph/?chart_ type=line&s[1][id]=UMCSENT&s[1][transformation]=pc 1

By: professor.inglis
17/10/2009
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http://au.finance.yahoo.com/q/apr?s=REO.AX

http://au.finance.yahoo.com/q/ta?s=REO.AX&t=1y&l=o n&z=m&q=l&p=&a=&c=

By: reynard2008@y7mail.com
17/10/2009
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Prof:
(a) No good as the Yuan is also a Fiat currency = worthless
(b) Returns only in a fiat currency = worthless
(c) Not available - you'll only get an education the system wants you to have which is not even close to "good"
(d) If you fancy facing a firing squad

By: professor.inglis
17/10/2009
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RE: All you need to do then is hope there will be no tanking of the Dow but watch for the first signs of it, if possible. Sounds the right way to go to me:

http://www.usatoday.com/money/economy/economic-out look.htm

"The index predicts future real GDP growth (gross domestic product, adjusted for inflation) based on 11 leading economic and financial indicators. The decline in real GDP growth, at a six-month annualized growth rate, slowed from -5.9% in March to -0.3% in August. Real GDP growth is back in positive territory posting an increase of 1.3% in September. It's expected to increase progressively through the end of the year and then moderate in early 2010.

Seven of the eleven leading indicators in the Economic Outlook Index were positive contributors in September: hours worked, building permits, real non-defense capital goods orders, stock prices, ISM export orders, the real federal funds rate and the interest rate yield curve. Four indicators had a negative effect on the index, including the money supply, crude oil prices, light-vehicle sales and the corporate bond spread. "

But does not predict (multiple) shocks to the system...

By: professor.inglis
17/10/2009
6:49 pm

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RE: "Why not put your money in the safest place with the minimum of risk" There is no such place:

Can't resist, sorry....

How about residential cheap real estate in central /rural China 100 + metres above sea level and well inland?

How about shares of GMI?

How about in a good education?

How about in legislative related work?

???

By: perceptions_now
17/10/2009
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The numbers will rise but the value will probably fall as the actual currencies fall.
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Anthony,
We should never, say never, but the likely odds would suggest "the numbers" are likely to cause the collapse to happen quicker, not slower.

The bailouts & quantitative easings are only a "Mcdonalds fix", they are & were never intended to be "THE long term soultion"!

In my opinion, Gold & Oil are spiking because of the US$ slowly deflating, but also because of other & separate issues.

Gold is peering over the horizon at the collapse of the US$ as the world currency, but also the collapse of the world economy and Gold is going back to it's "safe haven status".

Oil is also peering over the horizon at the collapse of the US$ as the world currency, pushed their by the BRIC's & OPEC.

But Oil Pricing is also held in a sort of stasis, due to its very increase, then causing a slowdown in economic activity, which will lower demand and cause the Price to fall.

If the relevant players come out and confirm that Oil reserves are not as large as thought and the global economy needs a quick conversion to "something else", then investment in Oil would go thru the floor, as would the price.

Alternatively, if they come out and confirm the reserves are substantially more than thought, which is VERY unlikely, then Demand will increase exponentially and the Price will go thru the roof.

Oil, the falling population growth & the Baby Boomer retirement Bust are what is actually causing the economy to crash!

I would not like to be in their position, because I may have taken a similar decision, to what I think they have done.

As you said, nowhere is safe!

Charlie Darwin had it pretty much right!!!

By: perceptions_now
17/10/2009
4:11 pm

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There is no such place
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Anthony,
Agreed!

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17/10/2009
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By: reynard2008@y7mail.com
17/10/2009
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"Why not put your money in the safest place with the minimum of risk"

There is no such place

By: brukevlay
17/10/2009
2:18 pm

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So as there are so many question marks about which way the stock markets will go, I ask again: Why not put your money in the safest place with the minimum of risk if you want to stay in the stock market? And if you are too greedy to accept 1,000% p/a accruing plus dividends in large safe companies then you deserve to get burnt.

All you need to do then is hope there will be no tanking of the Dow but watch for the first signs of it, if possible.
Sounds the right way to go to me.

By: reynard2008@y7mail.com
17/10/2009
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Perceptions
I am not disagreeing with you but there is a solid chance that the stock markets will spike up (along with PMs and oil) as these markets absorb the inrush of funny money. The numbers will rise but the value will probably fall as the actual currencies fall.

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17/10/2009
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17/10/2009
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The underlying causes of the GFC are still there; there is a new wave of loan defaults underway
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Anthony,
The short answer is, nothing has gone away, the problem has only been exacerbated and slightly delayed!

Try this, Oil & Gold are moving higher at present, because the US$ is moving lower, because US & Global share markets are about to move lower again, because the green shoots were never real, because the real economy is continuing to de-lever, because 2 of it's main drivers have Peaked (Oil & Population Growth)!

And, that process will continue to grind on, in the current status quo, until TSHTF completely in an uncontrolled manner or TSHTF in a controlled manner, in which case we may come out slightly better off and slightly sooner, but not by much?

Timelines are not knowable, but there is much pain coming!

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17/10/2009
1:02 pm

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By: reynard2008@y7mail.com
17/10/2009
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Quite frankly I don't think anyone really knows where all this is heading. The underlying causes of the GFC are still there; there is a new wave of loan defaults underway - this time including credit cards as well as many not so sub pri,e loans with non paym3ent blowing out to 180 days; and if the banks hadn't had their bailouts, most of them would be under by now. This can only continuie given the number of loans and potential defauils still working their way through to reset (ie much higher interest rates) dates. This is not news to anyone but still they pump more and more cash into the system and are getting aggressive with new loans - and that's what caused the problem in the first place. It is no wonder the stock markets are rising - so is inflation - any very few are taking notice of the canary in the cage. It is doomed but how long they can keep pumping it up is anybody's guess.

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17/10/2009
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By: brukevlay
17/10/2009
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Bump it up again in the hope of getting an answer this time.
I thought he was only ignoring the imbeciles here.

Maybe he thinks I am an imbecile. He could be right as I have been here for 4 years now and still under the silly belief of this forum getting better one day.

Anthony,
Then if the printing of this money doesn't stop and it seems it won't. Not anytime soon anyway then you would have to be indicating that will prevent a crash till it does. Is that a fair comment?

Notice how the idiots jump on the bandwagon of anything said positive with a "I could have told you that."

You can see through them as if they were made of glass. How can morons know anything useful?

That is not to say I am agreeing with you. You are going against just about all of the well know commentators on the subject. Sometimes it pays to be in the minority but I have my doubts about this time.

By: reynard2008@y7mail.com
17/10/2009
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CHARLOTTE, N.C. - Bank of America Corp. said Friday it lost more than $2.2 billion in the third quarter as loan losses kept rising, providing more evidence that consumers are still struggling to pay their bills.

The nation's second-largest bank said it wrote down loans on its books by almost $10 billion during the July-September period, up almost $1 billion from the second quarter. The bank also added $2.1 billion to its reserves to cover bad loans, bringing its provision for credit losses to $11.7 billion. The bank's total allowance for loan and lease losses now totals $35.83 billion.

By: brukevlay
16/10/2009
8:48 pm

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Also Anthony. As you probably know, J P Morgan and the other big banks that are showing a good profit is no surprise to me as they are in bed with the "Federal" Reserve and a lot of the stimulus package went to them.

So I'm saying it is an artificial good result. i.e. it probably would not be so if they did not get this hand-out.

They even refuse to talk about it and Bernanke plays dumb also.

By: brukevlay
16/10/2009
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Anthony,
Then if the printing of this money doesn't stop and it seems it won't. Not anytime soon anyway then you would have to be indicating that will prevent a crash till it does. Is that a fair comment?

Notice how the idiots jump on the bandwagon of anything said positive with a "I could have told you that."

You can see through them as if they were made of glass. How can morons know anything useful?

That is not to say I am agreeing with you. You are going against just about all of the well know commentators on the subject. Sometimes it pays to be in the minority but I have my doubts about this time.

By: pickupk85
16/10/2009
7:32 pm

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