By: perceptions_now
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By: new_me@y7mail.com
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Chris,
Sit on your lazy ar$e and just watch this "conspiracy theory" video. It's in 5 parts. Even you should be able to see the connection between this and investments. Take note of the bank failures THEN that were PURPOSELY orchestrated.
What's happening TODAY? Ask perceptions. Wake up Chris to what is going on all around you. |
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By: new_me@y7mail.com
15/11/2009
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"the evidence is already overwhelming"
You have a legal background and you come out with that?
Let me hear just one piece of your "overwhelming evidence" that I have even ONE more ID than this one.
I'm in no "fear" of being hacked. I KNOW it is happening or at least was happening. As I said, No hints have come forward in the past month or so.
Yes, please let me hear just one example of this "overwhelming evidence" you have of my multi nicks. Just one.
You are the one who needs to grow up, sport. |
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By: jacko654
15/11/2009
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As long as you dont think you are convincing anyone else by repeating your lie ad nauseum - its ok.
The main reason you fear being hacked is because your lies and multi nics would be proved beyond doubt. As it is - the evidence is already overwhelming. Grow up. |
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By: new_me@y7mail.com
15/11/2009
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| I am not going to type that statement and make a hypocrite of myself and create dummies to side with me. So I say again. I have NONE. |
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By: new_me@y7mail.com
15/11/2009
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"I think that when bruce and furby say 'the market is always right' they mean "what is is" and "what is not is not", and wishing it was otherwise won't change anything one iota. That's my take on it anyhow."
Yes, that's what I meant. If you trade XYZ at any particular time, you wont get a cent more or less than what it is trading at, at that time.
Message to the idiots:
You can create all the dummies you like to side with you and hide behind them. It only adds credence to my saying you have no guts. |
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15/11/2009
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By: tim.tim25
15/11/2009
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| I think that when bruce and furby say 'the market is always right' they mean "what is is" and "what is not is not", and wishing it was otherwise won't change anything one iota. That's my take on it anyhow. |
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By: area50seven
15/11/2009
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By: perceptions_now
15/11/2009
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That is that the 'desire to consume' cannot be manipulated (increased) by external forces (marketers/advertisers). I believe this to be slightly naive
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myfurbiedreams,
Yes, I have seen others try to put the argument that marketers/advertisers do not influence peoples decisions and I agree that assertion would be naive.
Clearly, the what, When, How & Where of consumption can & is manipulated.
That said, no matter how things are put, how they are manipulated, what "smoke & mirrors" are applied by marketers/advertisers/ big business/ unions/politicians or those of self interest in Oil, some facts remain facts.
To that end, it would not be possible to make consumers consume as much, IF it became clear to the general public that the global economy was on a downhill slide, with no way of returning to the status quo.
Oil is a good example here, as Demand can require that the Pacific Ocean be made to be the new supply Crude Oil. But, Reality says, no matter how much desire/want or dissatisfaction we create in the general public, the Pacific Ocean will not turn into a giant pool of Oil!
In fact, it is often in the area of finite resources, where I have seen the Population and consumption per head, at today's level put into reverse, as the argument that there is actually plenty of OIL, at today's level of consumption, when it is plainly obvious that those per head consumption levels are likely to increase, over time.
Now, you are right, it is time for rest! |
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By: perceptions_now
15/11/2009
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I've heard Bruke on more than one occassion say that 'the market is always right', and I agree with him 100%
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myfurbiedreams,
Like bruke, the markets may eventually get it right, but there have been & will be events, where it takes the markets a long, long time, before they finally get it right! |
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By: myfurbiedreams
15/11/2009
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whoops
Should read 'google getting into bed with doubleclick'. Sorry. G'night. |
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By: myfurbiedreams
15/11/2009
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(cont) That is that the 'desire to consume' cannot be manipulated (increased) by external forces (marketers/advertisers). I believe this to be slightly naive. Creating and raising the desire to consume is cental to capitalist economics and if it wasn't, I doubt that google would have been interested in getting into bed with google.
This is not to say I don't agree with much of what you have said Perception, as I do. Much depends on whether one focuses on the supply side or the demand side, I suppose.
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"When I'm watching my TV
And that man comes on to tell me
How white my shirts can be
But he can't be a man cause he doesn't smoke
The same cigarettes as me
I can't get no satisfaction
I can't get no, oh, no, no,
Hey hey hey, that's what I say."
PS - Yes, I concur Bruke, Obama is a puppet, and in all honesty is really only of value to those in power, as a 'symbol'.
Time for bed. |
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By: myfurbiedreams
14/11/2009
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"However, Economics is like Newton's Gravity Law."
In some ways 'yes', in some ways 'no'. Newton's gravity law relates to the natural and physical sciences, where as there are those that would argue that Economics is a social science and one should therefore take a non-positivist approach to the discipline (although there are those neoclassical economists who would obviously argue along your - and Adam Smith's - lines, that economics and markets are deterministic, absolute, and mech an istic). Newtonian physics was and is invaluable, but remember modern science, Einstein, Schrodinger, quantuum physics, etc created new paradigms, theories and models necessary to explain phenomena that the old Newtonian physics could not address. Some would argue that economics is less like Newtonian physics and more like Modern physics ie, indeterministic, often random, subjective and relative (due to the human factor). I've heard Bruke on more than one occassion say that 'the market is always right', and I agree with him 100%.
My view regarding consumerism as a driver can be succinctly stated as follows (working backwards):
What drives the capitalist economy?
----> The desire of capitalists to create surplus value ie profit
How is profit achieved?
By the production and sale of goods/services to people (consumers) at a price in excess of the cost.
How do capitalists persuade people to consume products/services that are unnecessary for their basic survival (needs)?
----> Through the manufacturing of Desire (wants).
How are desires/wants created?
----> Through the creation of dissatisfaction.
Thus, desire-disatisfaction is the bedrock/lifeblood/driver of the capitalist economy, IMO of course.
It should also be kept in mind that those that make a direct correlation between population and consumption often presuppose that consumption per head has, and will, remain static. |
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14/11/2009
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By: perceptions_now
14/11/2009
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perceptions,
"By the way, have you looked at & considered the likely future scenario's, given the supposition that Oil has probably already Peaked & that The total global Population will start to fall within 20-30 years?"
I don't think you can look that far ahead. I mean first of all there is 21/12/2012 to get past. No point in going into that as all the "experts" have a different opinion on it and the bottom line is nobody reallty knows. Then how much longer can the world survive without a nuke war? Is the new puppet Obama going to disappoint even more and make Bush and Cheney look like Sunday school teachers. Look at who he has chosen for his assistants. A wolf in sheep's clothing is this one.
They are just to name a few. Too many unknowns NOW and too many possibilities that can happen later on.
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Given the gravity of the situation, I will attempt to influence whatever I can.
I also understand that there are limits to that influence and therefore at some point, I must let go!
The trick is to know when that limit is reached!
That said, I think we must proceed on the assumption that we will see Christmas Day 2012, the rest is up to us!!! |
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By: perceptions_now
14/11/2009
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Except of course Crazyfool's voice but do you really want that one?
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new_me@y7mail.com,
I trust you are enjoying this nice weather?
I'm sure Jim (crazyfool) has his own views on most things and I am happy for him to air those views properly.
Or, keep them to himself, if he can not! |
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By: new_me@y7mail.com
14/11/2009
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Anyway good to see you getting some replies to all your hard work. I just pictured you slaving away in this forum full of dingbats and not to be even a voice crying in the wilderness. Out in that wilderness you just possibly could be heard but here, I didn't like your chances. Except of course Crazyfool's voice but do you really want that one?
How desperate would you have to be? |
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By: new_me@y7mail.com
14/11/2009
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perceptions,
"By the way, have you looked at & considered the likely future scenario's, given the supposition that Oil has probably already Peaked & that The total global Population will start to fall within 20-30 years?"
I don't think you can look that far ahead. I mean first of all there is 21/12/2012 to get past. No point in going into that as all the "experts" have a different opinion on it and the bottom line is nobody reallty knows. Then how much longer can the world survive without a nuke war? Is the new puppet Obama going to disappoint even more and make Bush and Cheney look like Sunday school teachers. Look at who he has chosen for his assistants. A wolf in sheep's clothing is this one.
They are just to name a few. Too many unknowns NOW and too many possibilities that can happen later on. |
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By: perceptions_now
14/11/2009
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I was under the impression that we lived in a consumer-driven economy...?
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myfurbiedreams,
That has been correct, particularly the period 1980-2005!
However, Economics is like Newton's Gravity Law.
What goes up, must come down!
In other words, we have had the consumer party that went with the biggest economic Boom in history, the Baby Boomers Boom and now as both Population & Oil Peak, we peer onto the downslope, when consumer activity, amongst other things, will fall! |
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By: myfurbiedreams
14/11/2009
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"The only remaining economic driver is Innovation!!"
I was under the impression that we lived in a consumer-driven economy...?
I may have been misinformed - afterall, my furby HAS lied to me before...there's no way THE BIITCH is getting away with it THIS TIME, I'll tell you THAT much!!! |
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By: perceptions_now
14/11/2009
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Q1) Am I to infer from the above that you think our (Western "democratic" government) style of government is a sham and is lead by self serving rogues, scammers, con-men and thieves?
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A1) YES! But I would not restrict the comment to only Western Style government, I would also throw in Communism and a large slice of the big business & Unions establishment!
Q2) If that is what you think, given you also said this: "The only remaining economic driver is Innovation!!
Could you please give us a glimpse into the kind of innovative government you dream of?
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A2) By Innovation, I refer to Technology!
Q3) At the same time, could you also inform us of the inovative economics you would employ to drive your ideal government?
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A3) The basics of Capitalism are still the preferred option, certainly ahead of Communism. Although, given the current state of the US Vs China, one could be excused for arguing that statement.
However, Capitalism will need to come to grips with some new realities, such as falling Populations and falling supplies of Energy, so the road ahead in Capitalism Mk2, will be a greatly different version.
By the way, have you looked at & considered the likely future scenario's, given the supposition that Oil has probably already Peaked & that The total global Population will start to fall within 20-30 years? |
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By: pwaldons
14/11/2009
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"As far as US Banks are concerned, it is likely that MOST WOULD NOW BE BANKRUPT, were it not for some fast foot work within the FED & the US Federal Government."
--No doubt about it, had government intervention been as fast and thorough intra-nation and internationally as it has been to date during the current economic crisis, the Great Depression may have been called the Near Depression.
"That said, it is just as certain that Capitalism Mk1 is dying!"
--In my view, capitalism MK1 died when the common Roman currency was abandoned throughout Europe and the middle east in the closing stages of the Roman Empire.
"I certainly agree that governments and other self interest groups will not throw in the towel, they will in fact use EVERY TRICK IN THE BOOK & A FEW MORE, to retain the status quo."
--Am I to infer from the above that you think our (Western "democratic" government) style of government is a sham and is lead by self serving rogues, scammers, con-men and thieves?
If that is what you think, given you also said this: "The only remaining economic driver is Innovation!!"
Could you please give us a glimpse into the kind of innovative government you dream of? At the same time, could you also inform us of the inovative economics you would employ to drive your ideal government?
Thanks in advance for your reply. |
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By: perceptions_now
14/11/2009
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A fear of impending doom can be quite debilitating. It probably isn't at all possible but perhaps I can put your minds at rest with the help with some simple figures.
During the period between Oct 1929 and Oct 1931, roughly 10% of the banks in the United States either failed or were suspended. Between 1929 and 1934, roughly 34% of the banks in the United States disappeared.
During the same period of time during what has become known as the Global Financial Crisis, Nov 2007 to Nov 2009, approximately 1.4% of existing banks in the United States have gone into liquidation or been acquired through merger.
I know many of you gloomy individuals want to see the end of our "evil economic system", but I don't think governements will be throwing in the towel just yet and calling an end to the capitalist system.
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pwaldons,
Thank you for information!
Let me put your fears to rest, this is not a revisiting of history, nor is it The Great Depression Mk2.
This is a once in history event, with origins distinctly different to previous modern recessions & the Great Depression.
As far as US Banks are concerned, it is likely that MOST WOULD NOW BE BANKRUPT, were it not for some fast foot work within the FED & the US Federal Government.
I certainly agree that governments and other self interest groups will not throw in the towel, they will in fact use EVERY TRICK IN THE BOOK & A FEW MORE, to retain the status quo.
That said, it is just as certain that Capitalism Mk1 is dying!
Why? Because 2 of the 3 mahor modern economic drivers, Population Growth & cheap & abundant Oil, have Peaked, !
The only remaining economic driver is Innovation!!
Good luck & watch the Debt!!! |
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