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2/08/2007
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| Bunker down troops, LYC in trading halt. Insults sure to be flying from all angles soon. lol |
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By: smart.moves2000
2/08/2007
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I owned a few race horses a few years back and my trainer would take the horses to the track and enter them in the daily race schedule.
Although, we are under the belief that the races are regulated and monitored still cheating occurred and it is unfortunate but not matter how much you regulate and monitor much like the Tour de France or the Olympic cheating will occur and everything you do many will find another way to cheat simply a fact of life. In the 60's and early 70's all to many people were selling brass marked as 18K gold if memory serves me I believe they electroplated the brass so it seems cheating continues to be a fact of life. Then you put a culture of corruption in places of authority and the cheating and corruption becomes exponentially.
As we all know this administration closed all foreign affairs avenues for the better part of their term and now they have the nerve to look to many nations for assistance in economic assistance. It must be the rodeo cowboy in this group of the culture of corruption to expect these governments to simply forget their arrogance.
Then they send Paulsen to negotiate a trade agreement that’s like send the fox to guard the hen house in my opinion. Sadly this culture of corruption is global and wide spread these days.
But don’t give up on equities simply do your DD and be ever meticulous find value and growth in corporate trust worthy management. I know it becomes ever more difficult but well worth the added efforts.
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By: chris_1979_h
2/08/2007
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| Bruke - Have a look at CTO chart for me, what do you think, looks like it may be worth a crack??? |
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By: crazyjimsmith
2/08/2007
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Bruke I pick stocks buddy. I don't ramp.
There is a distinct difference. |
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By: brukevlay
2/08/2007
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Thanks smart,
Actually I would like to get to hell out of equities all together. Just get into precious metals.
Q. If stock markets go up on good news and gold goes up on bad news, how come they have both been going up and for several years?
A. Because markets are manipulated. Why invest in something that is manipulated?
Can't do anything till the manipulation becomes too difficult for the Fed and the US dollar finally tanks resulting in gold breaking the $700 resistance price. Watch equities fall out of bed when that happens. If you think it is bad now, these are the good times.
Unfortunately it will result in a depression but with the situation as it is and has been for some time especially in the US, how else can it end?
But maybe Crazy's good fundamentals will save the day.
GO Crazy!!!Let's see if uranium spec shares get us out of this mess. |
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By: smart.moves2000
2/08/2007
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Take this time to research your positions and look for value and growth. Then when this massive manipulation period is over then you will have a better handle of what it is you are looking for.
Remember what I said earlier stay local and that I will repeat once again. Here is a area for you to start and consider as both value and growth.
"Australia Value"
you may find that you can prosper quite nicely if you go in of simply follow their lead.
I would give you a few others but this may aide you in taking a longer perspective.
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By: smart.moves2000
2/08/2007
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It would depend on the index or sector or industry but the average is 15% to 20%, 20% to 30% will carry the market crash at 25% to 30% or any thing greater, well you get the picture.
In the larger indices 5% can trigger a crash simply depends on the overall global trends.
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By: smart.moves2000
2/08/2007
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brukevlay
It would depend on the index or sector or industry but the average is 15% to 20%, 20% to 30% will carry the market crash at 25% to 30% or any thing greater, well you get the picture.
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By: brukevlay
2/08/2007
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Yes I understand what you mean about "Paper gold" Only the real stuff is what you should be holding. Preferably silver but it is awkward to handle so much if you have more than about $100,000 worth. Not something you can carry in your pocket. Still sommone who charges people to look at his portfolio and has the hots big time in your country reckons silver is going to $8,000 an ounce. It will be very portable then so I can hardly wait.
Crazy gets accused of being a ramper but he is only a school boy compared to this Turkey. His name is Jason Hommel. |
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By: brukevlay
2/08/2007
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change of subject: I was just emailing someone from Florida about bull and bear markets and told her about the figures you mentioned as a percentage to distinguish from corrections, bull and bear and whatever you said. Can't remember exactly, so can I have them again please. Mainly when is a correction more than a correction.
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By: smart.moves2000
2/08/2007
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First I do not speak of Russia as a player in the global markets but an emerging market.
Then as for Ch!na they have built credibility in this Global market and if this US administration and congress can not understand that the New Ch!na has a economic presence they are wrong.
As for the Fed well they have their failures but IMHO I believe it has been to calculated for me taste.
Gold and Silver dont for one minute think that paper is where you should be physical is it.
Although, I expect a huge global recession not a correction lasting through 2009 and Crude will return to 30's and 40's as hybrid technolgies come on line.
Way to many factors for one simply message.
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By: smart.moves2000
2/08/2007
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Yes M3 was transparent during Clinton and M3 is an indicator of inflation.
About strength it depends on PPS position whether it has been oversold or overbought.
We can anticipate a the first legs on a Global Recession coming the the forefront.
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By: riskpirate
1/08/2007
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| Riding the tiger... down 60k in last 2 weeks on portfolio but if i sell cgt gets me more.Dont think tmr much better looking at ftse on miners. |
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By: brukevlay
1/08/2007
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Maybe I should have used the word "manipulated" and not rigged.
OK gold and silver are manipulated. The Plunge Protection Team have a job to do but they abuse their authority. I believe because of all this manipulation, lies and distrust both of your government and the "Federal" Reserve, there will only be two commodities one can safely invest in and they are gold and silver. Silver in particular because when the manipulation becomes too difficult to do, will the US government at least try to confiscate it's citizens gold? It will be nothing new if they do. |
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By: brukevlay
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Smart,
"With US M3 no longer transparent" Was it ever transparent?
Doing away with this and the pathetic excuse they gave for doing so, ads credence to my statement about their dishonesty.
I agree with the manipulation you state so because we follow the Dow, and you talk of "strength in local stock...etc" I see this strength as something to sell into. Do you? |
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By: legsio
1/08/2007
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| i put my money that the market will make back the last two weeks losses by end of september.. Well i am actually putting my money on it i suppose or i would be selling every stock i have now!! |
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By: smart.moves2000
1/08/2007
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brukevlay
The difference between a trader and a long/short is that a trader moves with the market economies and indicators and is not any directional trade. Flexibility is what makes this the only way to trade never letting any single indicator rule your choices.
Now, do I believe that the DOW is rigged? Of course not it can be manipulated just as a small cap stock can. Is gold or silver rigged? Of course not although again it can be manipulated as crude and other commodities have been and crude the largest of all.
Is the Fed in control of the puppet, I do not believe so although this government as are many others government influenced by wealth and wealth just because they have wealth does not make them right nor does it make them any smarter. What it does is it manipulates ones concerns and nothing more; the people have a much greater combined wealth than all of the wealthy in this global market. What does that mean it means that the small retailers combined have a greater influence than all the bankers and the so call wealthy elite unfortunately most do not realize that it is the sheep that continue to make the bad decision makers worse decision makers over the long term by following them. Bill Gates is not the brightest person in the markets nor is he the most influential but those that follow him makes his bad decisions ever worse for the combined wealth increases exponentially. Does that kind of clear the larger picture up for you, if not simply look to crude speculators sinking the global economies and you can understand how sheep follow the collapse as they do the rise. As for Bush and Cheney both are the most uneducated pair I have ever had the displeasure of having to have lived through for this government would have been better run by a couple of chimps.
But you can believe this not many governments have much better and surely not Russia or Iran!
The best thing one can do at present is get out and stay out until a bottom has been met! |
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By: smart.moves2000
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With US M3 no longer transparent there will be increased speculation and manipulation across all global markets. There will be no dip to buy until a understanding of just how volatile the Hedge Funds have made the markets. Bad investments choices and a combination of a collapse in emerging markets continues to draw down liquidity.
Markets will continue to go much lower as the Fed and Central Banks continue to manipulate the facts. What is not needed at this time is more financial spin. We need to understand the facts and determine just how deep this Hedge Fund problems sinks. But early expectations are that global markets will all retrace to year lows if not at least 10% below those levels.
Recommendation remains the same look to strength in local stock and fundamental avoid multi internationals and remain ever patient this will pass but it is estimated that the EU will enter a recession as will others.
Do not expect private monies to come to the aide and begin buying on the dips till at the very least the retracement falls below 10% of the bottom.
What does that mean expect volatility to drive the markets much lower on a continuation of bad news and spreading across all global markets. It will take quite a bit of time before all market bottoms have been met. Remember many nations have large blocks of investor and the screaming to exit will come with remorse more so than rejoice.
The facts are markets will continue to draw down and there will be little that can be done until then. Those that believe there are sectors or industries that will be less effected will learn the hardest lesson as hedge funds weakness will draw all into the draft.
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By: brukevlay
1/08/2007
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Smart,
I agree with most of your latest comments. But you have done a reversal of things you said previously. There is nothing wrong with seeing the light though.
The US is NOT a place to put your money in. The DOW is RIGGED. Gold and silver is RIGGED. The Fed is owned by those greedy bankers and Bush is a puppet president.
How much of that do you agree with? |
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By: smart.moves2000
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Not quite sure what is is you were trying to imply, can you clarify.
Interesting can expect many more declining markets. Hedge Funds tumbling across global markets. EU and UK coming under the great pressure. With all market economic indicator turn upside down and inside out what we will begin to see liquidity falling apart. Ch!na US relations would be fine if not for Paulsen interventions. Seems they understand that long term they are speaking with the wrong people. For now the best that can be expected is an understanding that it is now time to be more agreeable. Consider this although the Ch!na growth story has been a great story it has been not much more. Look to the GDP and the population and what you have is more of the same. No one nation can afford to catch a cold at present. The Middle East continues to place increased pressure on global trade and currencies.
Remember do forget to remain vigilant as this is just the beginning of the down draft. Expectation are for a draw down as high as 20% in the short term and 30% longer term.
If you believe Iran has much to gain, look at the poverty levels the citizens of Iran has endured and next I suppose the will begin to push carts as their economy continues to collapse on itself. Not the Iran of the 70's and not looking as if they ever will ragain the respect of the global powers.
Ch!na US trade agreements will agree to wait for real longer term talks. As Ch!na is still in the early stages of growth and has enough intelligence to see that balance is most important and compremise must be agreed upon.
For now look to the global market begin to increase volatility and draw back all national currencies lessening lquidity for the next month or so. For now your choices is as good as it get.
It is hard to express all the global indicators in one single post much to review.
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Not quite sure what is is you were trying to imply, can you clarify.
Interesting can expect many more declining markets. Hedge Funds tumbling across global markets. EU and UK coming under the great pressure. With all market economic indicator turn upside down and inside out what we will begin to see liquidity falling apart. Ch!na US relations would be fine if not for Paulsen interventions. Seems they understand that long term they are speaking with the wrong people. For now the best that can be expected is an understanding that it is now time to be more agreeable. Consider this although the Ch!na growth story has been a great story it has been not much more. Look to the GDP and the population and what you have is more of the same. No one nation can afford to catch a cold at present. The Middle East continues to place increased pressure on global trade and currencies.
Remember do forget to remain vigilant as this is just the beginning of the down draft. Expectation are for a draw down as high as 20% in the short term and 30% longer term.
If you believe Iran has much to gain, look at the poverty levels the citizens of Iran has endured and next I suppose the will begin to push carts as their economy continues to collapse on itself. Not the Iran of the 70's and not looking as if they ever will ragain the respect of the global powers.
Ch!na US trade agreements will agree to wait for real longer term talks. As Ch!na is still in the early stages of growth and has enough intelligence to see that balance is most important and compremise must be agreed upon.
For now look to the global market begin to increase volatility and draw back all national currencies lessening lquidity for the next month or so. For now your choices is as good as it get.
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michiandsorafrayda
Not quite sure what is is you were trying to imply, can you clarify.
Interesting can expect many more declining markets. Hedge Funds tumbling across global markets. EU and UK coming under the great pressure. With all market economic indicator turn upside down and inside out what we will begin to see liquidity falling apart. Ch!na US relations would be fine if not for Paulsen interventions. Seems they understand that long term they are speaking with the wrong people. For now the best that can be expected is an understanding that it is now time to be more agreeable. Consider this although the Ch!na growth story has been a great story it has been not much more. Look to the GDP and the population and what you have is more of the same. No one nation can afford to catch a cold at present. The Middle East continues to place increased pressure on global trade and currencies.
Remember do forget to remain vigilant as this is just the beginning of the down draft. Expectation are for a draw down as high as 20% in the short term and 30% longer term.
If you believe Iran has much to gain, look at the poverty levels the citizens of Iran has endured and next I suppose the will begin to push carts as their economy continues to collapse on itself. Not the Iran of the 70's and not looking as if they ever will ragain the respect of the global powers.
Ch!na US trade agreements will agree to wait for real longer term talks. As Ch!na is still in the early stages of growth and has enough intelligence to see that balance is most important and compremise must be agreed upon.
For now look to the global market begin to increase volatility and draw back all national currencies lessening lquidity for the next month or so. For now your choices is as good as it get.
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By: michiandsorafrayda
1/08/2007
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| good info a little too late gregg mate. poored in yesturday, thought i got a good deal, turns out i could have done much better. oh well, with 100 years of supportive information, im pretty sure we will see the market back into the green eventually |
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By: greggroach2003
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| I would be sitting out for some time Michi - coupla weeks, at least, waiting and watching. There is definitely more of today on the horizon. It's all about timing - and patience. Its not a race - there is no rush to get in at this time. |
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Iran continues to make claims of weapons of mass distraction haha no seriously and add to that Russia continues to snub the global governments over Irans and trade.
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Great news for uranium stock!! Doh, today hurt.
Crazy, didnt intend for last post to sound acusatory. Im a big boy, i know the game, and im playing with the rules the market sets. I still recon its a shame they got hit so hard today, but im pretty sure they should be right in a couple weeks/months.
Do you guys recon now is a good op for a bargain, or can we expect more of the same tomorrow? |
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