By: brukevlay
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I'm not saying Bin Laden is not evil but I would still prefer to have him than Bush as my president. (The lesser of the two evils)
From Nystrom and me.
In 1987, after the Black Monday crash, Greenspan quickly lowered interest rates and assured financial markets that the Fed would stand by as the lender of last resort. The result was that the stock market recovered its massive losses and hit record highs within a few years. In 1994, when Orange County became the nation's largest municipal bankruptcy, Greenspan lowered rates again, resulting in the rip-roaring bull market from 1995 - 2000. In 1998, when the hedge fund Long Term Capital Management nearly collapsed, Greenspan acted quickly, slashing rates three times in succession, in spite of a booming economy. The result was the dot.com bubble. When that went bust, Greenspan lowered the Fed Funds rate from 6.5% to 1%. The result was the housing boom and subsequent LBO and hedge fund explosion that is just now bursting.
But now that the market thinks it's time for another dramatic rate cut, there's a new guy sitting in the Chairman's seat. Everyone assumed that the Greenspan put had been seamlessly been rolled over into the new Bernanke put. After all, Bernanke was the one talking about printing presses and helicopter drops of money before his appointment. That kind of talk made him sound like just the right man for the job. Helicopter Ben. After a little initial trepidation, all markets, not just the stock market cheered his appointment. Stocks went up, bonds went up, gold went up, housing went up, and hedge funds sprouted like mushrooms. Everyone liked the easy money policies of the new Fed, same as the old.
And now it looks like we've got a genuine crisis on our hands. All eyes turn to the Fed. The Fed will save us Bruke, What are you worried about?
Well to put it in a nutshell The "Federal" Reserve is a major part of the Illuminati and if THAT is not a worry, please tell me what is....continued. |
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By: michiandsorafrayda
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| common guys, that is such a load of bull!! bin ladden made himself evil, the US just funded him because in his early days he was the lesser evil. Lesser evil, but always a bad guy! |
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By: brukevlay
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Nothing is 'ideal' Has never been that way since man was created. I'm neither optimistic or pessimistic just a realist.
If I sound pi$$ed off it is because on one side you have poverty, starving millions who see nothing but despair On the other is the 'elite' (how I hate that word - nothing can be further from the truth) who have everything that their stinking money can buy but want more, plus control of the world as well, no matter if millions die and are maimed in the wars they start. I suppose you know they finance BOTH sides? |
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By: smart.moves2000
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brukevlay
I would like to propose a question and my question is, “Do you consider yourself an idealist?”
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By: brukevlay
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I suppose by "created Osama Bin Larden" he means created the evil in him.
Actually if I were an American I would rather have him than Bush as my president. |
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By: brukevlay
6/08/2007
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Smart,
"As for Bin Laden I have news for you and everybody else, before he became an outlaw he was closely aligned with the CIA and other secret organizations."
It is not news for me. Already knew it. He was friends with the Bush family for a long while. Now he just serves as a scapegoat.
Below is not from me but I suppose you agree:
The US created Osama bin Laden and al Qaeda, and the present administration is the power behind the depredations of these regional native elites. The neocons are propping up all this slime, but what less should we expect from our elitist Illuminists?
The parties getting screwed are the American taxpayers. They pay for all this as George and his bevy of *** s gets us more deeply enmeshed in this foreign intrigue where we can only be losers. Elitists’ policies in the Middle East have made everyone anti-US except Israel, who are big winners in this strategy. The neocons refuse to negotiate with Iran so the ultimate outcome will be disastrous. This is all part of the Illuminati’s perpetual war and, of course, profit. |
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By: michiandsorafrayda
5/08/2007
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| can i get some feedback on the NEL/TEO merger. does the 5.5:1 trade off mean that the NEL market price will lift (from 3.8) to $4.40 - thereby matching the worth of 5.5 TEO, or do mergers have very little impact on market prices? |
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By: brukevlay
5/08/2007
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| Yes, the Australian economy is very solid but not as solid as concrete. |
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By: brukevlay
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It's not the fall that will hurt investors, it's the sudden stop at the bottom. My estimate is you are falling past the 40th floor of a 50 floor sky scr@per and the concrete below looks very hard.
When in doubt get out. Let the trend be your friend. The trend is down. Is there any doubt about that? Cut your losses short and walk away. Markets will not bend to anyone's will. Not only that they will say "You know what you can do with your good fundamentals." We follow the US like sheep. |
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By: crazyjimsmith
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| Risk the Australian economy is very solid. |
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By: crazyjimsmith
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Don't know about Libs wanting to get out Risk.
Pinko thinks voting for the libs is worse than an annurism but he seems to have forgotten all about mismanagement and incompetence from Labor.
All he needs to do is look at what a great job Iemma is doing in NSW.
This whole collapse is unrelated to the Australian economy but we may suffer as a result of it. It is still too early to say if there will or will not any real damage here. |
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By: riskpirate
4/08/2007
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| ******yahoo censor |
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| CRAZY,I have no doubt many wiped out and many sitting on sidelines.Ihave line of credit ready to move and was going in big on mon but fri nite convinced me to stay conservative.Apply for the disk and think how you could gain another money making idea.DJI changes not over yet and more will be out of the game by xmas.Collectively we can weather it but as individuals many will fall.Sub prime and similar i *** ting aus with mortgage defaults and will get worse. Maybe the libs no the mess coming and want to be out????????????? |
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By: brukevlay
4/08/2007
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Smart,
I have posted this before but in case you missed it I will post it again. It is just from some finance board in the USA. The poster has a way of putting things that are better than mine. Maybe his poetry is not as good as mine or even Greg's. Yes, that is possible.
"Everything today is very much what was intended when Woodrow confessed his remorse, right down to WW III now in progress. Visionary criminals have it all over people who cannot plan a year in advance. The Christmas recess Congress which passed the Federal Reserve Act in 1913 was treasonous. Every congress which failed to repeal the Act from then until now has also been a treasonous congress and SERVANTS OF THE CENTRAL BANKS. The Rothschild family owns 51% of all central banks which makes them one bank for all practical purposes. They have been building this financial empire for two hundred years due to the vision of Mayer Amschel Rothchild.
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Until some president does do something, I can see no end to the mess. For absolute sure Bush will do nothing. |
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By: brukevlay
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"So the USD and the GBP have been joined since 1890 and ever stronger in 1964 and more so today. My point being the plot thickens. Who did what, Who knew what, Who knew where? Now when did they kill Kennedy? 1963 ??????many more questions than answers."
I don't think there is much question about when and how Kennedy died. He had his brains blown out in the motorcade in 1963 but as to your questions regarding the nexus of the two countries and their currencies. Some who study the Illuminati say the UK is not the loyal lieutenant of the USA but it is vice versa. Certainly Blair is a much higher ranking member of Skull & Bones than Bush or his father is.
I have no idea. Just thought I would mention that in case you did not know.
It amazes me that these type can look and act like normal individuals.
There is a whistle blower named Leo Lyon Zagami (Google) who is living to tell about it. That's if his story is true. One does not know what to believe. I don't get too deeply into it. I restrict my study to the "Federal" Reserve and scumbags Bush and Cheney |
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By: crazyjimsmith
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Yeah Risk just when I was starting to think it was settling down the Dow drops 280 points.
That's the market buddy and that's why I stay away from margin loans, writing puts, CFD's, and all that other leveraged junk.
I reckon a few regulars here have already been wiped out! |
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By: smart.moves2000
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How's that for a grouping conspiracy and a twist?
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By: smart.moves2000
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Let’s do something a bit different for a moment and talk a little about the librae, solidi, denarii I am sure you know what I am speaking of, the world’s oldest currency. In 1946, the currency became fully convertible and in 1971 the USD left the gold standard. This is where it becomes very interesting in 1964 the worlds oldest currency came under pressure to adjust against the USD calling for the government to restrict tourist from taking no more that 50LSD out of the country. Then in 1967, the LSD was devalued against the USD by 14.5%. In 1970, one year before the US left the gold standard the LSD agreed to free float and then in 1976, the IMF required the LSD to adjust releasing to yet again and still again and ever since 1946, over the years in 1970. Then as the years came and went we found that the LSD had been corrected on average every ten year. First, LSD, adjust with even sales service the LSD corrected in 70/265% and 80/500%, 90/670% and 2000/7.
It seems that the relationship between the USD and the GBP has been for better or worse, since mid 1946 and then again in1964.
So the USD and the GBP have been joined since 1890 and ever stronger in 1964 and more so today. My point being the plot thickens. Who did what, Who knew what, Who knew where? Now when did they kill Kennedy? 1963 ??????many more questions than answers.
If the family does not care, am I expected too?
Time to take a break I will be back.
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By: smart.moves2000
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Now, that that is out of the way maybe we can talk the markets at present I know all to well what makes a healthy economy, these being an educated population, Property rights, creative destruction and the limiting of protectionism. What has that to do with the current global economies? With the WTO, BIS, IMF, ECB, BOE, BOJ, US Federal Reserve and the list goes on and on and the tightening of credit, increased interest rates, carry trade not only to the global citizens but to all government likewise. It leaves all global powers helpless when attempting to create trade agreements and other economic decisions.
As for Bin Laden I have news for you and everybody else, before he became an outlaw he was closely aligned with the CIA and other secret organizations. Whether he was or was not involved in 911 by his own admission he took responsibility. I do know that 18 of the publicly know who were accused of committing this crime were Saudi citizens and their connections to the CIA or other secret organization at present are unknown to me. This likewise makes me wonder if since nobody survived will we ever really know the truth or has all of this been fabricated. I do know that their was a former FBI agent stationed the twin towers with the Port Authority who in fact was following these very same terrorist since the beginning and through Timothy McVeigh. At the time he was prepared to expose some of the most breaking news in regard to some leads he had uncovered. Unfortunately he did not survive the collapse.
Let’s do something a bit different for a moment and talk a little about the librae, solidi, denarii I am sure you know what I am speaking of, the world’s oldest currency. In 1946, the currency became fully convertible and in 1971 the USD left the gold standard. This is where it becomes very interesting in 1964 the worlds oldest currency came under pressure to adjust against the USD calling for the government to restrict tourist from taking no more that 50LSD out ... |
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I agree with you on so many levels and the facts that silver certificates will make the US economically solvent over night has many intelligent economists wondering, “Why not”
In 1890, Congress passed the Treasury Note Act, better known as the Silver Purchase Act, which required the US Treasury to Purchase Silver and issue silver certificates. In 1893, the stock market spurred panic sent price of silver down. Then President Cleveland urged congress to repeal the Silver Purchase Act. Then in 1896, Bryan, Dem ran against McKinley, Rep, for the office of President. McKinley decried, “You shall not press down upon the brow of labor this crown of thorns and you shall not crucify mankind upon a cross of gold.” What we have to this day Cleveland (of New York) and McKinley (of Ohio) better known as the Wicked Witch of the East and the Wicked Witch of the West. It was this opportunistic maneuvering that financed and spurred industrial steam age just as technology spurs our current economies.
It has been all very interesting to what lengths so many have gone to discredit President Kenney calling him everything from a womanizer to diseased. I have always wondered just where the truth end and the deceit and lies began. But that is altogether another story.
To this day the executive order 11110 remains in force and it is said that no President dare enforce this order for fear of death. Although as the baby boomer near the highest levels of retirement and Social Security Benefits we may find that this order may just be the only way we are able to cover this enormous debt.
Now, that that is out of the way maybe we can talk the markets at present I know all to well what makes a healthy economy, these being an educated population, Property rights, creative destruction and the limiting of protectionism. What has that to do with the current global economies? With the WTO, BIS, IMF, ECB, BOE, BOJ, US Federal Reserve and the list goes on and on and the tighteni ... |
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By: riskpirate
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| Crazy, you said the worst was over, not sure but feel the worst to come!!!!!!!!!!!! |
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By: brukevlay
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Linda,
With my charting, I just follow the more common ( Edwards and Magge ) stuff.
Elliott waves is something I have to confess I know little about. It seems to me it is open to each individual's interpretation of a wave. Some might look at a chart and say this is, for example, wave four but another will say, no you haven't gone back far enough and look at it differently. Too much gray and not enough black and white in my opinion.
I'm not knocking fundamentals especially the more important ones like supply and demand but in times such as this they have little if any say in what the share price will do. The fact that gains in most cases are given back after a good announcement is made will verify this.
I have no idea where the bottom is but I would be surprised if anybody else did either. |
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By: s_step000
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In addition of Brukevlay,
1) When everybody move to "flight to quality", credit spread (or risk) yield will increase driven all people with high leverage facing margin call and need to liquidate causing endless liquidation
2) When home equity wiped out, some people investing in shares using home equity as collateral will be forced to liquidate causing endless liquidation.
3) (1) and (2) cause 1) revaluation of asset incorporating risk 2) earning decline in most companies with leverage due to rising debt cost. 3) asset sold below cost
I must say Brukevlay's comment is excellent eventhough I dont agree fully that everything is going to collapse.
I reckon this represent rare oppurtunities to whack the market with big money for US market and OZ market. |
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By: stuartbennetts
4/08/2007
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Hi Bruke
I thank you for the interesting comments, as this really does look like we are in the middle of the crash. Where do you see the market is moving, down, but to what point?
The Elliott wave indicatated 5960, but we have the futures down 120, to 5882, for the open on monday.
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By: brukevlay
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http://www.apfn.net/Doc-100_bankruptcy31.htm
Executive order 11110
Smart,
Please bring that up and read it.
Kennedy was going to something about getting rid of your "Federal" Reserve. He was taken out. Not to dinner and not by Lee Harvey Oswald but by the "Federal" Reserve. This orginisation is evil and is run by the so called "Elite" Rockefeller, Rothschild, Morgan etc. All those scumbag bankers and others. It is NOT a government concern. It prints your governments currency and loans it back at interest. This was accomplished in 1913 when president Wilson was tricked into signing something that made this possible. Since then your IRS tax goes to paying for the interest these scumbags charge.
Believe it or not, I don't care. I know it's true and that is all that matters to me.
What is also true is bin Laden had nothing to do with 9/11. It was orchestrated by the US government. I know why but not enough space here to say.
I can direct you to the best DVD I have seen if you like.
I predict this will be known to the masses one day. There are some who know already, but when it is known by all, I also predict it will have grave effects on your market and the dollar. The dollar will be no longer the global reserve currency.
The good news is there are two things worth investing in and they are gold and silver. Especially silver.
Patience is needed. It has to close above $700 and stay there. |
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