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By: smart.moves2000
7/08/2007
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Well, I suppose this is the correct Bear Stearns story

http://www.earthtimes.org/articles/show/89123.html


NEW YORK, Aug. 1 Two Bear Stearns Cos. hedge funds involved in mortgage investments have filed for bankruptcy, court documents the U.S. investment bank filed said Wednesday.

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By: s_step000
7/08/2007
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"At present Bear Stearns and are set to file bankruptcy"

Are u sure the first one (BSC) is correct? I has > 200 billion USD on hand. BSC need to lost > USD 200 billion to go bankrupt and did not earn a single cents every quarter (last quarter net profit 2 billion USD).
Its debt rating is also at least A. Never happen in history a company with debt rating A go bankrupt.

By: brukevlay
7/08/2007
4:41 am

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"I am curious would you happen to know the root of these economic problems over the past 230+ years?"

If you looked at what I asked you to, you should see these things are planned to benefit the scumbag Bankers. It's not just the ones alive now planing their foul deeds, it is their fathers and grandfathers planing that has come to fruition. It's just like Katrina for example. It was also a stuff-up like the 9/11 incident, Pearl Harbour etc. Things are MEANT to go wrong. Likewise with the "Federal" Reserve. Things are meant to go wrong.
Does that answer your question or not?

I can't answer anymore it is 2.30am I'm going back to bed. Just got up to look at the markets.

By: smart.moves2000
7/08/2007
3:31 am

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I am curious would you happen to know the root of these economic problems over the past 230+ years?

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By: smart.moves2000
7/08/2007
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Now, if you compiled all the global senarios from Australia to Iceland and they move exponencially the current economic trend. It has been going on for better than 18 month to date and has gradually become all the worse. This time it will take global cooperation and not one bit less to correct the misdeeds of the few.

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By: smart.moves2000
7/08/2007
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American Home mortgage are set to file bankruptcy. Then as we already know there are surely more to come I calculate at the very least 7 global hedge funds at present.

Then one must surely calculate the effects of the Ch!na and India factors for example Ch!na with 1.3 T in USD reserves and yes they have been lending the currency out at record number for example Barclays recieved several Billion to buy ABN, not to mention the rest I have compiled a list. The dought and flooding in India will surely have an economic impact and still that is not the top of their problems.

Nope, we are in for a major correction if the right economic schemes are not put into actions and very soon. I forecast a global recession by Mar 2008.

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By: smart.moves2000
7/08/2007
3:08 am

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The indicators are the global liquidity is still under pressure as credit and bonds for all sectors will continue to tighten making volatility ever greater. While the overall loss for the housing market manipulation will continue to mount. As the actual market condition projected and the potential market condition.

We already understand the calculations are continual and ever effecting the general outcome now when one factor the unknow we calculate a series of probabilities. The problem is that when repeating the calculations we come up repeatedly with the same derivative. The EU economy at prsent growth rate can not sustain a expanding EURO combine this with the global economies and the probabilities continue to reduce the time factor again another bubble factor. One can not continue having an expanding currency if the GDP continues to decrease, combine this with the M3, Inflation, manufacturing, global demand, limited liquidity, tightening credit, increased unemployment (sending the women off to prostitute will not work) since tourism continues to decline, couple this with the expanding corruption in the last 6 members to jion the EU.

Sorry this one is going to bring down the house of cards. Better yet consider this Diamler's sale would not have happen at an impressive loss if the general overall state of the economy were not at stake ie... better a bird in the hand than two in the BUSH (pun intended)

With the US national debt at unimaginable levels and social security about to collapse (another house of cards) the public health industry under fire, the Fed has a whole bag of worms of their very own, well have you seen the picture yet.

Todays rally is simply a head fake ending Fed Chairmans meeting tomorrow. Without buying down the subprime and now prime mortgage debt the meeting will be a flop but the fact remains that buying down of the debt at this late stage of the game is to little to late. At present Bear Stearns and American Home M

By: brukevlay
7/08/2007
1:38 am

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Smart,
How is the Euro going to crash? The US dollar looks like breaking below it's support of 78 - 80 any time now. When that happens you will see gold take off. But you are bearish on gold as well it seems.

By: brukevlay
7/08/2007
1:28 am

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Chris,
Not much point in me telling you the name of that DVD. I have told others but very few buy it.

I'll say the same to you, bring up what stevenkington put there (11 posts below this) The DVD covers this and much more but this should be enough to put you in the picture. I agree with what you said about the other. NORAD was not even mentioned in it.

This one below also covers the "Federal" Reserve and you will get to understand why I call them scumbags and hate the word "Elite."

By: brukevlay
7/08/2007
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Smart,
What stevenkington posted (10 below this) is worth looking at. Skip the first 1/3rd as it is about religion. But the rest will educate you. You will learn much more by looking at this than you will by the lies told on your television set.

By: brukevlay
7/08/2007
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The so called "admittion" by Bin Laden was a fraud in as much it was an impostor "admitting" what he did. It was a set up to suck people in and it looks like it worked. At least as far as you are concerned.
I don't intend to follow up on any of those URLs you sent me. I make a study of these things I talk about. I suppose one could even say it is a hobby of mine. I have heard your arguments before from others. The difference between you and tham and myself is I know what I'm talking about.

By: smart.moves2000
7/08/2007
12:39 am

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Three more days and the markets will begin to end this correction with the exceptions of crude percious metals although several metal are still projected to rise slightly. EURO to Crash and GBP will correct as Ch!na figures it is more important to hedge and strengthen it US holdings rather than taking increased loss.

Time to remain vigilant on AG Futures and Value Growth Equities. Staples ect...

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By: smart.moves2000
7/08/2007
12:33 am

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brukevlay

Here are some of the various admissions, although what I find interesting is the deniability which three close friends continue to maintain, these friends are Bin Laden, Bush and Cheney, each say things public and on record only to later deny they ever said what was said.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/3128802.stm

http://select.nytimes.com/gst/abstract.html?res=F5 0714FB3C590C7A8EDDA00894D9404482

http://news.independent.co.uk/world/americas/artic le218611.ece

http://www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/meast/10/29/binladen .tape/index.html

http://www.consortiumnews.com/2006/070306.html

http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/nation/terror/2 0041029-1423-binladentape.html

I suppose with so many and even the Sydney Morning Herald tranmitted the admission by Bin Laden.

I suppose nothing else need be said, as self admittance is very much so a clear desire to murder.

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By: brukevlay
6/08/2007
11:31 pm

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Smart,
Did you know there is no trace of the Boeing that flew into the Pentagon because it....... are you sitting down?...... It VAPORISED on impact. Yes it really did. It vaporised. it's all in the 9/11 Commission Report. If you want a good laugh I suggest you buy a copy. You can do that on eBay. All the people, all the engines, EVERYTHING vaporised on impact. I suppose the same thing must have happened to the one that crashed into the field. No wreckage anywhere so it must have vaporised also. That's all I can thing of what happened to it.
I won't keep you any longer you can go back to watching your
Illuminati...... oops I should not use that word because I have to give somebody other than you a break, so I'll say it it's time for you to go back to watching your "Elite" controlled brain washing mainstream media.

By: brukevlay
6/08/2007
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"There is no way you can deny that Bin Laden admitted that he was behind the towers and the continuation of the murders by his Lieutenants ie...Zarqawi."

I would not have a clue about his lieutenants and I could not care less. As for Bin laden admitting that he was behind the 9/11 attack... Where did you hear cr@p? 100% WRONG! He denied it.
What the hell does it matter anyway. The US government denies it, even though they did it. Do you really believe whoever who did it will say "Yes I did it."

By: smart.moves2000
6/08/2007
10:05 pm

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I believe we will see the Fed looking to raise the Fed Rates as the BOJ tightens the carry trade while global banks continue to tighten credit. Yes, we will see this correction last three more days at most then a bounce of better than 30% with several exceptions the first being Technologies and Financials which I calculate will only rise at it highest point 5% to 10% over the next 12 to 18 months.

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By: smart.moves2000
6/08/2007
9:10 pm

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I believe we will see the Fed looking to raise the Fed Rates as the BOJ tightens the carry trade while global banks continue to tighten credit. Yes, we will see this correction last three more days at most then a bounce of better than 30% with several exceptions the first being Technologies and Financials which I calculate will only rise at it highest point 5% to 10%.

I expect that the continuation of a weakening EU economy while the EURO continues to bloat we can calculate that a collapse will become more of a long term threat to the EU and UK economies than most expect. While US exports continue to expand as the USD declines we can further calculate that inflation in the US is setting up a reversal as property valuations begin to decline and correct by an estimated 15% to 30%.

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By: smart.moves2000
6/08/2007
9:02 pm

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brukevlay

There is no way you can deny that Bin Laden admitted that he was behind the towers and the continuation of the murders by his Lieutenants ie...Zarqawi.

How you can deny this is beyond understanding.

I can not prove nor disprove whether or not the tower were manipulated but I can say without doubt that Bin Laden took responsibility for the crime.

As far as any other claims it would be much like Hitler saying he ordered the murders in the death camps and those that deny his public statements.

Sorry, it does not wash, as the self admittance is proof enough.

Now, on the state of the economy I believe that most of the global problems are due to the rising price of crude and there are few nation that control these prices. I suppose everybody can make claims that OPEC plays a very important part but there are other of which control light crude which constitutes more gasoline than dark crude out of the Middle East. I suppose I will leave you to fill in the blanks as their are to major nations that product enough light crude making manipulation of energies the catalyst that has spun the markets.

Why and who has been driving the global markets continues to influence the overall bubble in Asia. Just as the internet bubble the housing bubble the Asian bubble will crash and when it does as we watch the emerging markets spin downward much like the junk in the 80's we will see some major global recessions expand. I suppose you will try to blame that as well on the US, unfortunately the only ones to blame are the Russians with their manipulation and Blackmail of the NatGas Industry in Europe. As corruption is a matter of choice and the last 6 emerging markets to enter the EU are riddled with corruption and high crimes.

I believe we will see the Fed looking to raise the Fed Rates as the BOJ tightens the carry trade while global banks continue to tighten credit. Yes, we will see this correction last three more days at most then a bounce of better tha

By: stevenkington
6/08/2007
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go to http://www.zeitgeistmovie.com/

By: anthony_sadgrove
6/08/2007
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ok guys - enough is enough
calm down
yes - the markets are crashing and will go much much lower
yes - this was caused by US Fed policy dating back decades
yes - gold and silver are the major palys right now
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illuminati? bin laden?
give me a break

By: brukevlay
6/08/2007
3:53 pm

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Smart,
One big advantage of having Bin Laden for your president is everyone knows he is a murderer but thanks to your Illuminati controlled mainstream media, there are still many who see Bush as "a nice Christian man" I emailed someone who used those exact words. Most of you Americans are living in a world of make-believe. Maybe a lot simply don't care but for those who do care, it is time to wake up! There is the internet to look at and other media avenues other than mainstream that don't indulge in brainwashing.

By: chris_1979_h
6/08/2007
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Which DVD are you referring to? I've seen farhenheight 911 and another one which i can't rememebr the name of, all BS if you ask me, but always good viewing.

By: brukevlay
6/08/2007
2:09 pm

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"Give me a break Bin Laden is a murderer and a madman."

Simple questions: Who was responsible for attack on the twin towers? Bin Ladin? NO! Who was responsible for the destruction of building 7? Bin Laden NO! That scumbag Larry Silverstein even admitted it was controlled demolition that brought it down. Do you know how long it take to place explosives in a building that size? Who was responsible for the attack in Oklahoma? Bin Laden NO!
As I said before I'm not knocking Americans. I'm knocking your government. How much of the 9/11 Commission Report do you believe? Do you believe building 7 was not brought down by controlled demolition? There was no need to demolish it all. Do you know what was in building 7? Do you believe NORAD was not purposely stood down? Do you believe an Arab with a license to fly nothing bigger than a Cessna could fly a Boeing?
YOU are the one who should be giving ME a break. Do you believe a plane crashed in a field and left no wreckage? None at all.
Do you believe the tiny pieces of wreckage, able to be lifted by hand that were found outside the Pentagon was the wreckage of a Boeing? Do you believe the tiny hole in the Pentagon was made by a Boeing?
As I said I would prefer him than Bush to be sitting in the White house. That does not mean Bin Laden is not a murderer. It just means those who make up your government are bigger murderers.
I suggest you ask me the name of the DVD I recommended.

By: smart.moves2000
6/08/2007
1:25 pm

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brukevlay

Give me a break Bin Laden is a murderer and a madman.

Just as is Amedijan and Khamenei of Iran if you can not understand this as a fact simply ask the Lebanese People or the Iraqis and Afgans that are dying everyday.

Seems those rosy glasses must surely be running red right about now. Then you have a few other in the Middle East that continue to spread hate and you my friend must surely know that these problems have been on going for better than 50 years.

Seems there are way to many people in the world today that believe they understand the problems in the Middle East. The problems run a great deal deeper than anybody can understand, what has been the goal of these madmen is the resurrection of the Ottoman Empire and nothing more. These madmen has used everything from the plight of the Palestinians as a license to kill the innocent. You must understand that I can not excuse the actions of those in this country by any means nor would I ever. Although I could never believe that even Suadi Arabia, it seems that all too many have forgotten then problem commited by 18 high-jackers but most of all the problem stem from evil.

It seems we as citizens of the world have been check mated or faits accomplis and nothing can solve the problems other than the distruction of this evil in the Middle East that has currently been spreading through the West.

I could go on and on but it seems that will simply have to wait for another day.

Markets getting slammed as AG Futures continue to Rise, I further expect gold will retrace before a major UP ward trend can be cobnfirmed. Becareful investing on equities at present and watch out for the EURO and GBP.

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By: brukevlay
6/08/2007
10:19 am

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And now it looks like we've got a genuine crisis on our hands. All eyes turn to the Fed. The Fed will save us Bruke, What are you please tell me what is. Besides they are responsible for this mess in the first place. Could it be they WANTED this? Oh goodness me. Oh, my oh my, perish the thought.

The stock market is on the verge of collapse due to a staggering liquidity crisis. Word is that lots of hedge funds are going to go under as a result. Bernanke remains oblivious and unperturbed, choosing instead to focus on the specter of inflation.
Well at least he has that bit right. Get into gold and silver once the $700 gold resistance is broken.

I looked at the ASX at 10.12 it was down 112 points. I'm not game to look anymore. Don't people know we are not part of the USA. We don't have Bush OR the "Federal" Reserve. Unfortunately for them, they have both.
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