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By: sashaspiron@y7mail.com
16/07/2008
8:25 pm

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Read before about Carbon Tax.Red Paper, Green Paper, White Paper. How do we,as Bureaucrats,be seen to address the "Petrol Crisis" by reducing the Tax on petrol, but retain our Revenue?
Simple solution, introduce the "Black Paper" - Carbon Emission Tax.
Loss of revenue from Petroleum Tax will not only be off-set by this new Tax,BUT increase indirect Taxes, with the net result being a positive GAIN in revenue.
General Public will not object, as we will be seen to be also addressing " Environmental" issues.
Which also addresses the election "Promises". Q.E.D !

By: seabirdauau
11/07/2008
9:46 pm

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reibl - you too mate - you propose what you consider as solutions however you do not support your points with acceptable argument.

This is Australia where to get off ones backside is a difficulty without having to consider gas conversion, refugees(?) and whatever ?

Get real.

By: seabirdauau
11/07/2008
9:40 pm

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So itche you are with us, and it's not weekend? I love a good argument given the parties carry an experienced knowledge of the environment in which we all live, varied tho' it may be, and are prepared to consider both sides of the discussion?

So true - people do get out of their house in their free time (only on weekends?) BUT to the total exclusion of those topical message board that take their avid interest during the week?

Golf itchi, when you are retired, can be partaken, weather permitting, at any damn time you wish. As can fishing, chat forums or any other subject that interests you!

Obviously itchy you live a secluded life clearly devoid of the realities of this world.

Get real.

By: reibl_40
11/07/2008
8:08 pm

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The people on petrol cars, please convert to gas, cheaper in the long run and it helps our foreign dept as well. We pay for huge oil prices to the middle east, refugees , none of our doing.We are a decent people.

By: reibl_40
11/07/2008
8:05 pm

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Someone is driving up oil prices , this people are helping the demise of our civilisation .
We need to stop salt pollution of our waters from detergents and then use the wastewater to grow canola oil ,in the USA 1.2 ton per acre convert it into biodiesel .Diesels now run on 5 ltrs /100 km , we have enough wasteland to even run Diesel generators from the oil. But we need to clean up the Salt from the detergents, there are alternatives to Soda Ash, plenty .

By: ecchi.gaijin
11/07/2008
6:07 pm

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Or perhaps some people actually get out of the house in their free time?

I assume you must be retired since you claim to be a golfer yet think weekends are for chat forums.

By: seabirdauau
11/07/2008
1:40 pm

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I notice that a number (most) of our regular posters are inactive on weekends?
Could it be they are restricted to office or school/university computers?
Hence the whole lot of boring dribble they deliver.
Get real.

By: pol_pak
11/07/2008
3:44 am

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http://au.biz.yahoo.com/080710/33/1tqua.html

Total chief says too risky to invest in Iran
Thursday July 10, 2008, 11:51 pm

LONDON (AFP) - The head of French energy giant Total said in an interview published Thursday that it is too politically risky to invest in Iran, dealing a serious blow to the Islamic republic's key energy sector.

Chief executive Christophe de Margerie's comments virtually cripple Tehran's hopes of boosting its gas exports because Total is the last major western energy group considering a big investment.

"Today we would be taking too much political risk to invest in Iran because people will say: 'Total will do anything for money,'" de Margerie told the Financial Times newspaper.

Total was to develop phase 11 of Iran's giant South Pars gas field to produce liquefied natural gas (LNG) alongside Malaysia's Petronas. Iran has vast untapped gas reserves and wants to develop the sector for export.

The news came amid escalating tensions between world powers, led by the United States, and Tehran.

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De Margerie also reportedly voiced frustration over tight scrutiny of investments in the Iranian energy sector, saying: "You take the two major countries (Iran and Iraq) out of the system and then you say: 'There is not enough oil and gas.' Oh no, surprise, surprise."

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By: pol_pak
11/07/2008
3:29 am

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Oil supply NOT factor driving runaway oil prices:

http://au.biz.yahoo.com/080710/33/1ts6a.html

OPEC chief keeps mum on possible output hike
Friday July 11, 2008, 1:36 am

VIENNA (AFP) - OPEC secretary general Abdalla Salem El-Badri declined to say Thursday whether the cartel would be prepared to boost output at its next meeting in September in order to help curb the rise in oil prices.

"September is a long time away and we will decide at that meeting," El-Badri told a news conference here to present the Organization of Petroleum Exporting Countries' annual World Oil Outlook.

The OPEC chief insisted that the current supply of oil was not the factor driving runaway oil prices.

"There is nothing wrong with supply and demand," he said. "We don't see any shortage."

He added: "There is no reason for prices to go up."

"There is plenty of oil in the market and in the stocks. There is no need ... even for the price to be at 135 dollars per barrel."

El-Badri saw other factors -- such as the weakening dollar, geopolitical problems in the Middle East, speculation and refinery bottlenecks -- as the problem.

"These are what's causing the high oil prices," he said.

On Thursday, Brent North Sea oil for August delivery rose 12 cents to 136.70 dollars a barrel in electronic deals.

New York's main oil contract, light sweet crude for August delivery, dipped two cents to 136.03 dollars.

Prices have fallen sharply from their highs above 145 dollars a barrel reached last week.

By: gregmondau
10/07/2008
6:10 pm

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Rudd should have an understanding of fuel as he wastes a lot of it flying to meetimgs and telling the media that he has achieved nothing!In the real world if you fly to meetings and achieve nothing several times its a bad thing. How many meetings does this turtle need to make a decision on anything?

By: seabirdauau
10/07/2008
5:26 pm

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It's is not my fault 'cause you asked for it!

"This Rudd fella is what they call a fencepost turtle."

When you're driving along a country road and you come across a fence post with a turtle balanced on top, that's called a fencepost turtle.

You know he didn't get up there by himself, he definitely doesn't belong up there, he doesn't know what to do while he is up there, and you just gotta wonder what kind of dill put him up there in the first place!"

By: aru1899_1999
10/07/2008
4:20 pm

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You have got to be kidding Rudd is an idiot only looking for a headline he can't even select a good tie.
I Wonder why world leaders are not falling at his feet for advice, he can fix everything, don't they know?.

By: felipemomm
10/07/2008
3:01 am

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If you are looking for information about commodities trading, heres a site for you
http://commodity-system.s-f9.com

By: silvdale
7/07/2008
6:01 pm

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Petrol is not expensive. I remember 35 years ago petrol hit $80per barrel and gold nearly hit $1000 per ounce. Stop blaming the oil companies, they were losing money when oil was $20 per barrel only a short while ago.Having said this all countries (except the US) could lower punitive gas taxes if they wanted to. Get used to it petrol has to go up to. God knows everything else has. Stop driving those guzzling cars to take your kids to school and stop borrowing so much so you cannot afford to fill up your cars.

By: paulinozzy
7/07/2008
3:49 pm

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Try Howard you mean, they had 12 years and still could not get it right!

By: seabirdauau
6/07/2008
9:08 pm

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Here is an example of what our Fuel Watch in WA is able to send you daily. Site are in my area.


ULP PRICE MOVEMENT ALERT

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A number of BP sites are hiking their ULP prices tomorrow by up to 11.4 cpl to 169.9 cpl. Tomorrow there will be over 180 sites selling below tomorrow's metropolitan average of 157.7 cpl.


Thank you for using FuelWatch's free e–mail service, following are tomorrow's best prices in your selected areas.

Fuel prices for Monday, 07 Jul 2008:
Type Price Outlet Address
ULP 152.5 Caltex Woolworths Canning Vale Cnr Amherst & Nicholson Rds, Canning vale
ULP 153.2 Caltex Woolworths Kelmscott 2877 Albany Hwy, Kelmscott
ULP 153.4 Caltex Woolworths Southern River Cnr Warton and Furley Road, Southern river
ULP 153.7 Caltex Woolworths Maddington West 207 Burslem Drive, Maddington
ULP 153.8 Coles Express Maddington 117 Burslem Drive, Maddington
ULP 153.8 Caltex Woolworths Maddington Centro Shopping Centre Attfield St, Maddington
ULP 153.9 Coles Express Canning Vale 280 Bannister Rd, Canning vale
ULP 153.9 Coles Express Southern River Cnr Lakey St & Ranford Road, Southern river
ULP 156.9 Caltex Woolworths Cannington 25 Cecil Ave , Cannington
ULP 156.9 Caltex Woolworths South Lake 752 North Lake Rd, South lake

To visit the FuelWatch website, click on the logo at the top of this e–mail, or visit

By: hisfirstime
6/07/2008
8:51 pm

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let's all walk and catch public transport and leave petrol consumption to industry.
the problem is, public transport in Australia is so bad!
the only citys that come even close to meeting public transport needs are Sydney and Melbourne.
soon we won't have a choice... petrol will soon be so expensive that only wealthy people will be able to drive cars.
And what do i know?.. well, i walk, catch trains and buses.i don't even have a driving license anymore... and i've lost 4 kg!

By: seabirdauau
6/07/2008
10:01 am

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And that's not the end of it!

THEY took away our one and two cent coins and now we pay more for everything. THEY took away our pounds and ounces
and a stone no longer weights 14 pounds. Now it could well be as heavy as a kilo depending on the size if it - the stone that is - and how far we have to carry it.
THEY told us that coca-cola is good for cleaning toilets so we don't drink coke on its own anymore. THEY gave all those people living in India our phone numbers and now we are afraid to answer the phone. THEY told us to give to a good cause nevertheless we haven't received anything yet. THEY told us to vote for them for THEY are our friends - if so why do they ignore us. THEY are our leaders but just where are they leading us.

And finally THEY gave us money to have children and holidays to look after them. Now there are so many children about THEY are running the place.

Get real.

By: greyghostau2000
5/07/2008
9:55 pm

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It is amazing how slow our aussie public are when our $ is almost the same as the U.S. $ we are paying a absolute fortune for our petrol. IN the U.S. they use the gallon method, we here in australia we use the litre method, now ever since conversion from gallons to litres we Via our governments have been ripped off. Before changeover we as Aussies were paying about .60c per gallon, but then it went to .60c per litre, the oil companies have been making a fortune for years, but they always cry poor mouth, and more we have our weekly price-fixing, oops sorry price cycle, and more so we are been double taxed on our fuels as well, what out government calls excice, which is tax and also GST, we have enough oil to last for about 200 years but our greedy oil companies and members of OPEC doesn't give a damn. Electric cars are great but too expensive for the average worker, who is going to win out??? Who give a damn, the oil companies or car manufacturers don't, it boils down to the average hard working Aussie.

By: ecchi.gaijin
4/07/2008
11:57 am

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What problem are electric cars attempting to solve? If you look at where electricity comes from it surely isn't environmental. Cost wise, it might save the individual driver but I doubt large vehicles will switch power sources. If the governement finds itself short of tax revenues from petrol it will soon tax us on the replacement or something else so the only actual saving would the difference in cost excluding taxes.

By: pol_pak
4/07/2008
10:37 am

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Sooner electric vehicles - with recharge every 150-200km, the better for road safety and small businesses with local recharge points ;-)


As petrol diminishes as main turnover value, motorists still wish be serviced by cafe and entertainment facilities particularly those with recharge points.

Recharge points are currently known as parking meters ;-) so local councils can lease out provision and servicing of their park and charge meters.



Servicing the traveler not the vehicle...


Government already scheming increases to electricity charges so as to replace lost tax revenue from reduced petrol consumption and the rising cost to motorists.

By: ntpetrolchampion
4/07/2008
9:54 am

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Horse and cart anyone?

By: ntpetrolchampion
4/07/2008
9:50 am

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Why not just sell your car and walk, bet your all over weight anyway or just a grip a understand the issue is a higher level issue not the stations issue. Funny thing is car sales are up, landcruisers are everywhere and poor little rich people cry about the price of petrol? It amazes me that people are so stupid to think that the service station is to blame, try Mr Rudd.

By: almurrie1@y7mail.com
3/07/2008
8:54 am

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Unfortunately this would only hurt the franchise operators. They buy the right to run the service station where petrol margins barely cover the costs of staffing 24 hours a day. They rely on the "shop" to make a profit. If you boycott this it would mean the operator would go broke, the site closed down until another mug forks out hundreds of thousands for the privilege of going broke too!
It would not make an iota of difference to the price of fuel except for maybe making it go up more. That's what happened in SA when the supermarkets were allowed to open 24 hours a day, and killed off the petrol station shops.
Al

By: seabirdauau
2/07/2008
8:46 pm

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Misty - Or we could wait until Xmas 2008, how about Easter next year or maybe put it off until the West Indies beat Australia at cricket?

Come on if you really want to do all these marvelous things - do it now - but in reality do not expect many of the who gives a damn anyway Australians to join you.

Hey - how about some realism with these solutions?

But then Misty your comment leave the "way out there" of the usual posters for dead.
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