By: jaymarcel
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Hi bridonta, in reply to your statement :-
"just look back chinese history .. for thousand of years .. there had been violence and social unrest ...
why ... entire China was formed through invasion ... the origin is the Han ... the Cantonese has formed the 2nd large Chinese group but on known in Chinese history at the end of Ming and begining of Ching dynasty .. (before that .. cantonese was not part of Chinese) ... and there are tiew chew, hakka , Manchu, uyghur ... Tibet .. people .. and many more .. and now there are large gaps between rich and poor .. now the chinese govt must be careful in dealing with the situation .. especially high inflation .. otherwise .. when the power of the poor people bust out .. and billion of them are hard to control .. and history again repeat ..."
Sounds like a similar story to europe & how they took over the world including USA & Australia. I don't see China all too different. |
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By: bridonta
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| I wonder recently Toyota failures due to any China made on some parts of the brake ..?? |
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By: glh40
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<<< 2 mil US citizens are in prison out of approx 6 mil world prisoners and it's climbing.>>>
I read this week that California is SO BROKE they are transferring US Prisoners to Mexican Prisons where it's cheaper to look after them...and they point the fingure at PIGS Countries... their combined Debt is 9% of Euro GDP.... CALIFORNIAS DEBT is 13% of USA GDP ....and NOTHING is said ...Go figure...USA Figures at 96%
of GDP
POLITICIANS LIE, ECONOMISTS LIE, FORCASTERS LIE, MEDIA LIE,..IN ALL COUNTRIES....TO SAVE THEIR OWN EMPLOYMENT & WAX THEMSELVES RICH in the Process...You don't have to look far to see (Craft) at work in your own neck of the woods they CONvince the People with their MANY WORDS |
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By: glh40
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THE WASHINGTON TIMES
Friday, February 5, 2010
With suspicious statistics, China obscures economy
China has acknowledged that its export-driven economy took a beating in 2008 and 2009, but Western analysts, most of whom are suspicious of Beijing's willingness to concede downturns,
think China may have even slipped into a recession.; Because of political pressures and different methods of measuring, Chinese economic statistics can be notoriously suspect when compared with Western numbers,the extent of the Chinese slowdown is far larger than suggested" by the official data,because China measures growth by comparing a three-month period with the same quarter in the previous year, a recession in one or two quarters could be masked by intervening quarters of robust growth. As a result, "negative growth" rarely or never happens in China.
USA as usual calling the kettle Black but they have a point as I saw the Baltic dry Index has fallen AGAIN over 40% in the last few months Which confirms 2010 recovery as an ILLUSION, Contary to what is Printed Daily as Facts, ....Who would think that Politicians Economists and Media would LIE to you !!!!
America Sneezes the World catches a Cold (as the adage goes)....(and we all know USA HAS Pneumonia... End Result = Nothing Left... BUT Worldwide DEBT.
Baltic Dry Index Collapses Signal Further Worldwide Economic Weakness In 2010 :The severe economic slump cut shipping demand for the railroads because American consumers and industries have been buying fewer of the cars, chemicals, crops, lumber and containers of imported goods the railroads carry.
Close gaps to read links...Updated: New York,Feb 06 2010
http://beforeitsnews.com/story/15029/Baltic_Dry_In dex_Collapses_Signal_Further_Worldwide_Economic_We akness_In_2010.html
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2010/feb/05/ch ina-obscures-economy-in-great-wall-of-statistics/ |
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By: ang101000
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'I buy something material 95% of the label says Made in the USA right ?'
Yes, if you buy something material the intellectual value-add is USA and the manufacturing value-add is Chinese. Not hard to see which is the high value-add; the innovation, design, ip/trade mark or the cutting and stitching.
'Yeah the west will save us hahaha.
Wake up. China is here to stay in a big way.'
Never let the facts get in the way of the truth, for a thorough analysis read
'PIVOT CAPITAL MANAGEMENT - China's Investment Boom the Great Leap Into the Unknown'
http://www.scribd.com/doc/21544021/PIVOT-CAPITAL-M ANAGEMENT-China-s-Investment-Boom-the-Great-Leap-I nto-the-Unknown
In case link does not work, try goggle the title. |
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By: sly.guy_nsw1
31/01/2010
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CRACKS APPEAR!!
Yes my friends. The P. R. of China is suffering.
Their efforst to fool the world and their own population into thinking that their economy was surviving the worldwide economic downturn well have failed and soon the truth shall be only too clear for all to see.
The truth being that the P. R. of China`s economy is in reality, collapsing rapidly.
Almost all of that what was being claimed, displayed and otherwise branded about was nothing less than communist PROPAGANDA.
Lies, Lies and more Lies!
Now, as reality dawns upon that nations sick and selfish government they begin accusing the USA.
Making all kinds of outlandish and aggressive threats it is only too clear to see that CHINA is becoming ever more desperate to focus the depressed and disgruntled minds of its population on something other than the fact that their own country is close to bankrupt. Their government having spent so much on efforts to prop up their failed economy and now having discovered that they simply don`t have enough energy, (cash) to run the course, (until such time as when a real recovery occurs) is desperate to put the blame anywhere else...And why not blame the USA? Afterall, they are the easiest choice.
I say turn our backs on the P. R. of China.
Leave that nation to self-destruct. |
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By: ang101000
31/01/2010
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There is no denying - China has done very well economically, the Economist has a very good analysis and rebuttal of the bear view
'Not just another fake'
http://www.economist.com/displaystory.cfm?story_id =15270708
But there is also a case for the bear view; the risks of trade wars between China and the vest are escalating
'Murray: US senators urge China action on currency'
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Murray-US-senators-u rge-China-apf-357380167.html?x=0&sec=topStories&po s=main&asset=&ccode=
All these arguments are valid - who knows how long investing in China may benefit both East and West - or when will turn into a disaster for one, or both. |
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By: lasty49
31/01/2010
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I do admire those who feel west is best.
They have no poverty issues.
Everyone in the US is rich. They have the best health care system in the world right?
I buy something material 95% of the label says Made in the USA right ?
Yeah the west will save us hahaha.
Wake up. China is here to stay in a big way.
Civil unrest will more likely happen in the west whereby they haven't experience dealing with poverty.
2 mil US citizens are in prison out of approx 6 mil world prisoners and it's climbing. |
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By: bridonta
31/01/2010
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just look back chinese history .. for thousand of years .. there had been violence and social unrest ...
why ... entire China was formed through invasion ... the origin is the Han ... the Cantonese has formed the 2nd large Chinese group but on known in Chinese history at the end of Ming and begining of Ching dynasty .. (before that .. cantonese was not part of Chinese) ... and there are tiew chew, hakka , Manchu, uyghur ... Tibet .. people .. and many more .. and now there are large gaps between rich and poor .. now the chinese govt must be careful in dealing with the situation .. especially high inflation .. otherwise .. when the power of the poor people bust out .. and billion of them are hard to control .. and history again repeat ... |
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By: guy.longshank1
31/01/2010
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And..
I want to add that in MHO, the only people who really have to worry are those who believe that the CHINESE economy "shall save us all"..
All I have to say to those people is HO HO HO & PULL THE OTHER ONE!! |
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By: guy.longshank1
31/01/2010
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Hey! Relax communistevil! I get your point. And I also fundamentally agree with what qitulong wrote. But lets be careful that our opinions be not misunderstood and catagorised, (Ibelieve wrongly) as razcist.
Thats something which would simply be abhorent! |
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By: communistevil
31/01/2010
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How right you are qitulong. And you of all people should know.
Afterall, (re: your Yahoo Profile picture I am guessing you are of South Vietnamese origin) you should know only too well the truth having seen a lose quaters the true "face of communism"
Let nobody foget that this same evil empire, (P. R. of China) is one which controls and pursequtes its own nationals without regard for common human rights nor Christian values..
Most Chinese would agree that there is no such things as "a Chinese person". Instead, there are people of Chinese origin who are either referred to as "from Hing Kong", from "Malaysia", from "Singapore", from "Austrlia", etc. etc. and then there are the others... Those who are "Communist Chinese" hailing from the "P. R. of China".
Do not support the evil and selfish empire of the P. R. of China.
SAY NO TO TRADE WITH THE P. R. OF CHINA. |
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By: qitulong
31/01/2010
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Chinese form communist P.R. of China are illiterate and bad mannered for sure most part. Say anythign else is just rubbish and show clear for sure that person who say it or write is has no understanding of true situation with those country people.
Average man and woman there in that land is like peasant .. scratching for living and getting abused at same tome as they try abuse others to make life liveable for themself and them family.
GO to there and see for yourself how these people living in sgaulor and have no care for other.
Future is not P. R. of China for sure.
It is disaster country I am saying. |
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By: almurrie1@y7mail.com
26/01/2010
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Exuse me you ignorant harpie, buy does NOT mean by!!
Al |
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By: bridonta
26/01/2010
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with pride the chinese will raise their muscles .. as they no longer wanted to work as cheap labour to feed the greedy Corps and their shareholders from the west ...
Soon the educated and professional chinese (due to single child policy) will overwhelm the cheap labour forces .. then cheap products "made in China" will no longer cheap ...
Now rich Chinese are searching to buy Corps from the west ... and will running buy their professional people ... by then they will rip back what the west had ripped them off ..
govt here will no longer serve its own people but serving those corps owned buy foreigners offshore ... |
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By: ang101000
26/01/2010
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Lasty,
In regards to China, for the EW (Prechter) view see (very short)
http://www.elliottwave.com/freeupdates/archives/20 10/01/21/A-Comment-On-Today-s-Triple-Digit-Stock-M arket-Decline.aspx
My take on China is quite close to yours; fine now - worry later (in a few years time).
'China Bubble Puts Australia's Recovery in Doubt'
Professor Yu Yongding, Director of the Insitute of World Economics, Chinese Academy of Social Sciences in Beijing, has warned China's economy is facing a breakdown, something that could derail Australia's dependence on China's rapid growth to steer it clear of the global downturn.
'China is suffering resurgent asset bubbles, overcapacity and inflation.'
'This is likely to be followed swiftly by overheating, a breakdown in its rapid
growth and deflation'.
'The huge gap between the massive growth rate of monetary supply and GDP growth implies very large inflation pressure in the future.' Professor Yu said.
The Director of the Institute of World Economics at the Chinese Academy of Social Sciences was in no doubt about China's ability to spend its way out of the economic slowdown for as long as it wanted, because of its strong fiscal position.
'The medium and long-term impact of its expansionary policies is, however, quite worrying.'
'Furthermore, China's investment efficiency has been falling as a result of the economic stimulus plan.'
Bank credit soared by $1.15 Trillion in the first half of 2009, well above the official target for the full year and double the credit increases in 2006 and 2007.
Nevertheless, the efficiency of the resultant, largely State-directed and infrastructure-centred investment had fallen by 50 per cent and and was now below
half of that of J@pan," Professor Yu Yongding said.
(from Victoria Business Council presentation) |
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By: guy.longshank1
24/01/2010
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The P. R. of Chian is now engaged in a major effort to gain control of spending.
This in itself is a clear indication that the government of that nation has recently (finally) accepted the truth..
The truth being that this is aworld economic disaster of such proportions that no amount of spending shall prevent the inevitable collapse.
The days of economic doom are upon us and the damage which has already been done by failed efforts to prevent the inevitable shall greatly influence the amount of damage done.
Poor decisions result in a worsening of a situation ...
Take cover! |
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By: ricky.rollings01
23/01/2010
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Ha! Now that is the most easy thing to do..
To chart CHINA ..
..smply draw a line from the top left corner of the page, (2007) diagonally across the page to the bottom right corner of the same page (2010).
DISASTER |
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By: jadeshangrila
3/01/2010
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| America, England, China and Jep an, keeps printing money via stimulus . What is going to collapse cash or assets? Ricky, I am sure you are smart enough to work that out. The American government have spend, refinanced and guaranteed loans up to 11 trillion. Now that is a lot of USD injected into the US economy. How much more the English, *** anese and Chinese have printed and injected, the tune of 11 trillion as well? More will come after March deadline if necessary. They will just keep doing it till there is enough inflation in wealth asset prices to restore the wealth of asset rich, cash poor Americans. Those that kept all their money in cash keeps getting poorer as their purchasing power diminish from cash dilution- at least that is true in the equity market for now. |
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By: ang101000
3/01/2010
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Ricky,
If you believe what you wrote than follows you have not made any investment in the companies that rely on the Chinese market.
If you really did that you are considerably poorer for it.
BTW, Australia govt stimulus measures are supporting the economy (more or less) the same way as Chinese govt stimulus does.
Is this really an ideology debate or what? |
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By: ricky.rollings01
3/01/2010
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| The "official" figures which are constantly referred to here on this Blog and similar Blogs in defense of the economic well being of the P. R. of China are nothing more than lies. The truth is that the P. R. of China is pooring billions of dollars every month into the support of a economy which can no longer be supported by the demands of the overseas economies which stimulated its growth in the first place. Accordingly. Soner or later the P. R. of China ecconpomy shall collapse completely and those economies which are associated wit is shall be destroyed also. |
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By: willytan1
31/12/2009
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| Hello Folks!!!! You guessed it......it's New Years eve again. When it's 12-00AM tonight.....it will usher in 2010.....and China officially becomes the 2nd largest economy in the world. So when you greet the new year later tonight with a glass of fine French champagne......preferably Pol Roger.....you will also be acknowledging China's rise as an economic power. This will probably drive your China Paranoia to greater heights.....but Hey.....it's New Year.....take it easy. Anyways I would like to wish youse all a very Happy and prosperous New Year. May 2010 be an even better year than 2009!!! |
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By: ang101000
31/12/2009
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Lasty,
people are not moving from the West to the East. Eastern culture (mainland Chinese) are bying property in Hong Kong and Singapore (and Australia) in huge numbers. It is customary to buy property to your kids (as opposed to buy to rent out).
I hope, somebody did just that for you with all the China Made X-mas presents that you got... |
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By: lasty49
31/12/2009
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Demand for property in Asia will increase as more people move to the east from the west.
Once again debt to servicability is dismissed by the gloomers and their models fail.
Hong kong and Singapore are financial centres and normally businesses pay for the expats living expenses.
Until such time that businesses don't see value in these centres properties will be in demand. |
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By: ang101000
31/12/2009
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Menta,
After the fireworks and all the celebrations have a look at this (long 88 mins) video. It is the last link that I am posting for you;
'Dmitry Orlov: Social Collapse Best Practices'
Seminars about long term thinking series
http://fora.tv/2009/02/13/Dmitry_Orlov_Social_Coll apse_Best_Practices
Ang |
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